What do you consider noise?

Quote from dom993:

No offense, but this is an oversimplified view that ends-up wrong. You are confusing signal lack-of quality with noise. I would bet you are not a musician.

Wikipedia has a long article on noise, of which the 1st sentence is a good start for the purpose of this thread: "In physics and analog electronics, noise is a mostly unwanted random addition to a signal" - I would argue that the word "random" isn't a requirement to define noise, and I will use this moving foward: "noise is an unwanted addition to a signal".

Which should make it clear that noise is always relative to a signal, and cannot be defined in the absence of a definition for the signal itself.

When it comes to trading, I contend that the tape contains a variety of "signals" mixed together ... the "signals" are the footprints of many different type of players & trading strategies - I'll refer to these signals as "signal-1, ... signal -2, .. signal-n":

tape = signal-1 + signal-2 + signal-3 + ... + signal-n.


Let's use a single strategy viewpoint, and say that it is focusing on signal-1 to derive its actions. From that single strategy viewpoint, we can write:

tape = signal-1 + noise-1
w/ noise-1 = signal-2 + signal-3 + ... + signal-n.


If we were to look at another strategy focused on signal-2, we would have:

tape = signal-2 + noise-2
w/ noise-2 = signal-1 + signal-3 + ... + signal-n.


If you insist on a music analogy, then play simultaneously the 9 Beethoven's symphonies, and try to focus listening to symphony #6 for example (which happens to be my favorite of those 9) ... this will be impossible for most people on earth, and I bet would drive (literally) crazy a good number of musicians. Trading is no different.


Go back to Brass's post ... He summarized it all in 2 sentences:
was a much longer post ,shortened so you could put your own take on it, think of the starting musician struggling to hit the notes and finally being able to play anything,that noise in the market is something,giving signs of the markets next move,just that it only gradually makes sense,and no,i wish i had some musical talent
 
Quote from oldtime:

he's just starting out. He looks at the 5 min and it looks like the world is coming to an end, then he switches to the 1 hr and it doesn't look so bad, and he switches to the daily and it hardly shows up.

So is the short shit just noise? That's the question.
IMO it never pays to look below your trading time frame; it sometimes pays to look higher.
 
This makes a tremendous amount of sense to me. This is a difficult subject to even form an opinion on but this strikes me as at least close to right.

Quote from ammo:

was a much longer post ,shortened so you could put your own take on it, think of the starting musician struggling to hit the notes and finally being able to play anything,that noise in the market is something,giving signs of the markets next move,just that it only gradually makes sense,and no,i wish i had some musical talent
 
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