What do Hillary supporters think they are voting for?

Agree with that point. Though I guess we both also agree that we don't condone child abuse or child trafficking, such should be charged to the fullest extent of the law. Being a child molester and repeat offender (must be proven beyond any doubt not just because a bitch says so) should get one behind bars and marked as such. Soliciting a hooker who willingly does her deed is another story entirely. If she is under age then punish the guy but killing someone's reputation for life by entering his name into a sec offender database for having solicited an underage hooker is beyond reason imho. The devil lies in the detail I guess (whether she knew what she is getting into or basically tricked and mislead or raped). We have to get back to facts and throw all those disgusting allegations and maybes out the window, on both sides of the aisle.

I have to say you have made some very valid points. Child abuse is one of those charges where emotion tends to overrule logic and facts.

It seems that Epstein did recruit younger women. They appeared to go along with it willingly. Many of you older guys do not understand that girls these days are regularly getting boinked in the early teens. They figure, this rich guy is going to treat me great and I'm giving it up already, so why not? This kind of thing happens regularly in the Hispanic, muslim and inner city communities and no one gives a crap. Rich white guy however and the cops are all over it.
 
Do I have to hold your hand for everything?

This is not the first lawsuit regarding underage girls at Epstein's residences.

Epstein settled a previous one in Florida.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#cite_note-lewis-48
"Epstein has so far made 17 out-of-court settlements, and some cases are ongoing."
Excuse me. As far as I know these are the first suits in which trump is being accused of child rape! Epstein is not running for President. He just happens to be named as a co-defendant and an alleged enabler.
 
So why are we not hearing about this on MSNBC, NBC, ABC, etc. all day everyday?
Well if I was one of the conspiracy/Breitbart guys I would of course have to respond "it's because the mainstream media is in cahoots with Trump . They are "obviously" protecting him."

But that's not my response. My response to you would be, it's better to stick to the actual court filings and ignore the rest.
 
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But it's ok to force us to subsidize businesses who employ illegals, because that is the effect of obamacare and his illegal immigration policies....
The quote above was in response to my post where I expressed the opinion that in a capitalist economy it is wrong to use taxpayer funds to subsidized private, for profit, employer payrolls.

Notice please the tactic being employed here by the respondent to my post.

My post had nothing to do with illegals. (As a matter of fact I am opposed to illegals being hired, period. If someone is here illegally, IMO they should not be allowed to work for gainful employment. But this is, nevertheless, happening to an unknown extent, and despite my negative view of such practices.) My respondent, via non sequitur and a particular wording, is attempting to suggest that I hold a prima facie ridiculous position regarding employment of illegals; yet my post had nothing to do with that subject!

This kind of accusation by innuendo is common, especially here in these entertaining, P&R threads. We should all be on guard and dismiss this sort of response whenever we see it, whether to one of our own posts or someone else's.

Far too often I have seen posters get sucked into ridiculous arguments because of these hairbrained, non sequitur responses. I am not going to let it happen to me. Don't let it happen to you.
 
Wrong again, pie.

Obamacare and illegal immigration both are subsidies to employers who either don't provide healthcare and/or employ illegals.

We can argue about whether employers should be the primary source of health insurance (hint: no) or whether it is good policy to give reduced welfare benefits to poor people who take low wage jobs. In all cases however, government is subsidizing one group of people and others who get nothing from it are paying the freight.
 
Well if I was one of the conspiracy/Breitbart guys I would of course have to respond "it's because the mainstream media is in cahoots with Trump . They are "obviously" protecting him."

But that's not my response. My response to you would be, it's better to stick to the actual court filings and ignore the rest.
It is really that hard to figure out?
 
There are millions who live in and around Manhattan who earn less than 200k with kids and live a comfortable middle class life style. Same in San Francisco. Of course you can't send your kids to the most expensive private schools and afford a penthouse. But 200k puts you at a pretty sweet spot in the US, including large cities on either coast.

The secret of having it all is believing you already do.
Wrong.
 
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