What do Hillary supporters think they are voting for?

[Zzzz1]

I tell you what I have: I have a complete and utter disregard to the degree of disrespect and dislike to alleged victims who cry foul big time but then settle out of court. If they really were violated and if they minded it (apparently a prostitute seeks such not avoids sexual contact) they should never settle out of court because they would show concern to bring he truth to light. Sex victims who settle out of court in my eyes are money whores or liars who believe they can score a quick buck from the rich and famous.

Would you settle out of court if you were raped? For what reason other than the possibility you made it all up and eye ball early retirement.

If that is all you get after reading the wiki summary... then I can only state you have a complete lack of empathy towards the under-age victims of sexual exploitation by Epstein and other wealthy & powerful people.

 

[WeToddDid2]

Yes and that means NADA. There are millions of reasons why an alleged offender settles out of court, among others, to close a case and move on. It says nothing about whether he or she is guilty or not.

But a victim usually only settles for 2 reasons: making a quick buck, or too weak evidence that won't lead to a favorable ruling in court

So, if Trump were to settle this civil lawsuit, you are going to state the same thing?

3rd reason - Is it enough money. Also, it is usually the attorneys pressuring the clients to settle to make a quick buck.

You clearly don't have any experience with civil lawsuit.

 

[Zzzz1]

Yes i would state the exact same thing. I even go further. I think those ridiculous grannies who now come out of the bush and accuse Trump he groped them light years ago should shut up and move on with their lives. If there was something speak up right away or sue Trump. But this is pathetic and should not even be considered as circumstantial evidence that Trump is a groper.

I believe what has undone Trump is the tape on which he himself gave everyone in the world a clear view into his soul and real self. That is what damaged him and cost him the presidency.

So, if Trump were to settle this civil lawsuit, you are going to state the same thing?

3rd reason - Is it enough money. Also, it is usually the attorneys pressuring the clients to settle to make a quick buck.

 

[WeToddDid2]

I tell you what I have: I have a complete and utter disregard to the degree of disrespect and dislike to alleged victims who cry foul big time but then settle out of court. If they really were violated and if they minded it (apparently a prostitute seeks such not avoids sexual contact) they should never settle out of court because they would show concern to bring he truth to light. Sex victims who settle out of court in my eyes are money whores or liars who believe they can score a quick buck from the rich and famous.

Would you settle out of court if you were raped? For what reason other than the possibility you made it all up and eye ball early retirement.

That is not always the case. If someone were to sue a person for say $25mm and the other side offers $5mm or even $3mm, I guarantee you the attorney of the plaintiff is going to pressure the hell out of their client to settle.

 

[Zzzz1]

Please, so now we have to consider whether some lawyer pressed clients to settle? Give it a break. Victims or their Guardians are old enough to make those choices themselves. If they cannot stand up to their own lawyer they should certainly not consider a lawsuit.

So, if Trump were to settle this civil lawsuit, you are going to state the same thing?

3rd reason - Is it enough money. Also, it is usually the attorneys pressuring the clients to settle to make a quick buck.

You clearly don't have any experience with civil lawsuit.

 

[Zzzz1]

Mate, if the victims just cared for the money then as said I could not care less. Let them all lose their suits. They don't deserve a penny those money whores. What they should aim for is the truth. The truth only comes to light in a conviction / favorable ruling. And even then legal errors exist. But in a democracy that is the best we can do to let Veritas have its way.

Bottom line here is, what is written on the Internet, including wiki, and anywhere else means zilch. Accusations or allegations mean nothing. A conviction / win of a civil suit means something and is proof sufficient scrutiny has been applied to make a ruling that may potentially destroy someone's reputation for life.

That is not always the case. If someone were to sue a person for say $25mm and the other side offers $5mm or even $3mm, I guarantee you the attorney of the plaintiff is going to pressure the hell out of their client to settle.

 

[WeToddDid2]

Please, so now we have to consider whether some lawyer pressed clients to settle? Give it a break. Victims or their Guardians are old enough to make those choices themselves. If they cannot stand up to their own lawyer they should certainly not consider a lawsuit.

You clearly have never been through a civil lawsuit that was for a substantial amount of money. I have been and that is exactly what happened with numerous lawsuits in which I was on the plaintiff side. Actually, that happened on every single one of them. When the plantiff is clearly winning and it is getting near verdict time, that seems to me to be standard operational procedure.

There was only one time that I can remember in which we didn't settle. We were suing for $15mm and the defendant offered $1mm the night before the verdict. Our attorneys pressured the hell out of us to take the $1mm. The boss decided not to settle and go to verdict. We won the case and were awarded a grand total of $1. That is right..... one dollar fucking dollar. The jury felt sorry for the defendant even though they knew and came to a verdict that he was wrong.

 

[Zzzz1]

You entirely miss the point here. I have not been involved in any legal dispute ever. And it is completely irrelevant. It is also irrelevant whether you have been or not.

What matters here is accusations that an underage was raped or sexually abused. If the victim accepts to settle out of court it is detestable because it continues to hide the truth and it clearly shows the victim was not interested in letting the public know about the truth but shows the victim cares about green more than the truth.

I get your point when it comes to commercial disputes. But here we are talking about underage sex abuse, underage rape,... Money should not even be a factor here unless the victim only cared about money in the first place.

You clearly have never been through a civil lawsuit that was for a substantial amount of money. I have been and that is exactly what happened with numerous lawsuits in which I was on the plaintiff side. Actually, that happened on every single one of them. When the plantiff is clearly winning and it is getting near verdict time, that seems to me to be standard operational procedure.

 

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[AAAintheBeltway]

And sure, if the alleged victims settle with Trump out of court that would never make a Trump guilty. Either they were just shooting for quick cash or their evidence is simply too weak. I am fair to either side. My whole argument, by the way, is not motivated by politics but a legal stance.

I have to say you have made some very valid points. Child abuse is one of those charges where emotion tends to overrule logic and facts.

It seems that Epstein did recruit younger women. They appeared to go along with it willingly. Many of you older guys do not understand that girls these days are regularly getting boinked in the early teens. They figure, this rich guy is going to treat me great and I'm giving it up already, so why not? This kind of thing happens regularly in the Hispanic, muslim and inner city communities and no one gives a crap. Rich white guy however and the cops are all over it.