What difference would it make?

Quote from bigarrow:

Did you not listen to her answer? Fact is for most of Americans Rand is a grandstanding jerk for the cheerleaders of the far right and tea party group he is a hero.
You need to get your head outta your ass , ambassador steven's was a political appointee of obama's and they care-freely left him and others to be murdered to fit their narrow political narrative.
 
Quote from budcampbell:

I said months ago nothing would come of this. Hillary takes the heat for an administration coverup. Whether she was part and parcel, we will never know.
What about the coverup of the administration coverup, will we ever know about that?
 
Quote from Ricter:

What about the coverup of the administration coverup, will we ever know about that?


Sometimes I think I would be better off "sticking my head in the ground" like you do.:D
 
Quote from Lucrum:

But then you think almost all republicans are fools and jerks.

No I don't. I don't think Rand is a fool, he just came across that way, I do think he was being a jerk.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

You need to get your head outta your ass , ambassador steven's was a political appointee of obama's and they care-freely left him and others to be murdered to fit their narrow political narrative.

I thought Amb. Stevens was career State Department. I could be wrong, but it would be very odd to have a politcal ppointee, ie a fundraiser, in that kind of situation.

I find this incident very troubling on a number of levels however.

First, it seems odd to me that no one is asking what the heck he was doing there in the first place? Not to mention without a security detail. Very odd. Ambassadors don't just venture out into the wilds in that kind of place without a good reason.

Second, it was reported that there was a drone overhead during the attack. Who was looking at its live feed? Are we to believe it wasn't beamed directly to the WH situation room? Was it armed?

Why were no fast response teams dispensed? Why no air support? A flyover by F16's at low level might have ended the whole affair.

Who actually prepared the Rice talking points? that seems basic, but we still have no answer other than soem vague mention of interagency paper shuffling. I call bull on that. Someone had final approval. Tellingly, you didn't see Hillary out there selling the inflamed mob story.

My take on it is that this was some sort of joint CIA/State operation to get into bed with some militias, and it went sideways in a big way. They were reluctant to run to the military to bail them out, plus the State people raised objections over exaggerated concerns about offending the Libyans. Better to just hang a couple of contractors out to dry. The fact that al qaeda was a big factor and stronger as a direct result of Obama's policies was not the story they wanted right before the election. Hence the lies and coverup.

I find it very troubling that the compound of the militia group that attacked us wasn't leveled by a drone attack the next day. Instead, we get a laughable FBI investigation. So a group of terrorists killed an Ambassador and some other americans and there is no payback.
 
Beyond the tragedy of the loss of life, there seems to me to be a fascinating inside the Beltway storyline. Susan Rice came to political prominence as a Clinton slug. She worked in the Clinton administration. Rice however committed the unpardonable sin of abandoning hillary in favor of Obama during the 2008 primaries.

Fast forward four years and Rice is being groomed to replace Hillary as Secretary of State. That had to set Hillary's teeeth on edge every day, just thinking about it. Patiently she waited however. Then came Benghazi. Somehow Rice was manipulated into going on five TV shows and lying about the attack. I don't have a lot of regard for rice, but I have to assume she is smart enough to know the script she was given was a pack of lies.

It is beyond odd that the UN Ambassador, who had nothing to do with the affair, was sent out to talk about it. Was she the first name on a list of possible spokespeople who agreed to spin the mob lie? Was she so eager to go on national TV that she didn;t care? Did someone actually think this was a way to promote her for Secretary? Who knows.

One thing is sure however. Don't trust coincidences when the Clintons are invovled.
 
Also, what kind of weapons did the terrorists use. Were they using U.S. made weapons that we supplied to the Lybian rebels or meant for Syrian rebels?

And, we still don't know who told the Seals to 'stand down' during the attack.

This whole thing is an obvious coverup. Liberals can cry everyone is yelling 'conspiracy theory' again but it very obviously is a big conspiracy that we may only find out about the details of in many years from now when the insiders come out with their stories.

Obama is very good at covering up mistakes and evil deeds with the help of a complicit press.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I thought Amb. Stevens was career State Department. I could be wrong, but it would be very odd to have a politcal ppointee, ie a fundraiser, in that kind of situation.

I find this incident very troubling on a number of levels however.

First, it seems odd to me that no one is asking what the heck he was doing there in the first place? Not to mention without a security detail. Very odd. Ambassadors don't just venture out into the wilds in that kind of place without a good reason.

Second, it was reported that there was a drone overhead during the attack. Who was looking at its live feed? Are we to believe it wasn't beamed directly to the WH situation room? Was it armed?

Why were no fast response teams dispensed? Why no air support? A flyover by F16's at low level might have ended the whole affair.

Who actually prepared the Rice talking points? that seems basic, but we still have no answer other than soem vague mention of interagency paper shuffling. I call bull on that. Someone had final approval. Tellingly, you didn't see Hillary out there selling the inflamed mob story.

My take on it is that this was some sort of joint CIA/State operation to get into bed with some militias, and it went sideways in a big way. They were reluctant to run to the military to bail them out, plus the State people raised objections over exaggerated concerns about offending the Libyans. Better to just hang a couple of contractors out to dry. The fact that al qaeda was a big factor and stronger as a direct result of Obama's policies was not the story they wanted right before the election. Hence the lies and coverup.

I find it very troubling that the compound of the militia group that attacked us wasn't leveled by a drone attack the next day. Instead, we get a laughable FBI investigation. So a group of terrorists killed an Ambassador and some other americans and there is no payback.

Fast forward some 30 or more years and it is again the US which, under the guise of dreams and hopes of democracy and the end of a "dictatorial reign of terror", armed local insurgents in the Libyan war of "liberation" to overthrow the existing regime (and in the process liberate just a bit of Libya's oil) - the same Libya where shortly thereafter these same insurgents rose against their former sponsor, and killed the US ambassador in what has now become an epic foreign policy Snafu.

But it doesn't end there as according to Russia, it is the same US weapons that were provided to these Libyan "freedom fighters" that are now being used in what is rapidly becoming a war in Mali, involving not only assorted French regiments, but extensive US flip flops and boots on the ground.

Via Al Jazeera,

Russia said on Wednesday the rebels fighting French and African troops in Mali are the same fighters the West armed in the revolt that ousted Muammar Gaddafi in Libya.

"Those whom the French and Africans are fighting now in Mali are the [same] people who overthrew the Gaddafi regime, those that our Western partners armed so that they would overthrow the Gaddafi regime," Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told a news conference.

"It's important to lift one's head a bit and look over the horizon, look at all those processes more widely, they are interconnected and carry very many threats," Lavrov said, speaking of unrest across the Middle East that could play into the hands of militants.

"This will be a time bomb for decades ahead," he said.
That is our definition of irony.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-23/russia-accuses-west-arming-mali-al-qaeda-rebels

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-going-ahead-sale-f-16s-egypt-despite-protests-1017834
 
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