What causes price moves in cryptocurrencies?

1. Whatever he said could be also applied to bitcoin.
2. I thought competition was good for capitalism and for the people without banking...

Pekelo use your brain for once! Your are incorrect about Onecoin. This one isn't like all other alts. This one is setup by design as a real Ponzi: no mining, no exchanges, no code, no nothing like a crypto-currency (other than it has "coin" in its name). Onecoin isn't even existing in the list of all 998 crypto-coins in the world: https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/, for the reason that it is a real Scam!

It is sold on seminars to unknowing people in pyramided schema's paying earlier people from the seminar before: a real Ponzi. And all over the world law enforcement is now hunting them down.
 
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Pekelo use your brain for once! Your are incorrect about Onecoin. This one isn't like all other alts. This one is setup by design as a real Ponzi: no mining, no exchanges, no code, no nothing like a crypto-currency (other than it has "coin" in its name). Onecoin isn't even existing in the list of all 998 crypto-coins in the world: https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/, for the reason that it is a real Scam!

You are right, it is kind of funny:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneCoin

That being said, things have as much value as people attribute to them.
 
That is true, but so are several stocks. Basically any company without some kind of plan to profitability or any source of revenue can be looked at as Ponzi. Yet they are still listed on the exchanges...

Also just because something is a scam, that doesn't mean it isn't tradable....


As I said in another thread, I never claimed it wasn't tradable, or that it wasn't EASY to game. I think it is , and have called the direction right almost 100 % of the time, going back years.

The bigger the con, the more the price action resembles pure supply and demand. I think J. Wadsworth Finkmore said that.
 
As I said in another thread, I never claimed it wasn't tradable,

So why do we care about the underlying, fundamental issues of Bitcoin if we don't care in the case of Pets.com or Tesla? As long as it is tradable, just trade it and take advantage of it. We don't have to agree with the original purpose of the company/crypto, as long as we are right when we bet on it.

The Navy used to have a saying: If it moves salute it, if it doesn't move, paint it.

We could say the same: If it moves, trade it...
 
Well, if you are saying that there is no Intrinsic value, then I’m afraid you haven’t understood it yet. If you want, then please read on.


First of all there are many definitions for “intrinsic value”. The one you pointing is:

Economics: No intrinsic value exists for any good or service except its price (see use value) which is reflection of its demand and supply position and not of any inherent quality”.


But there are two other definitions which are more matching bitcoin’s realm:

The actual value of an asset based on an underlying perception of its true value including all aspects, in terms of both tangible and intangible factors”.


And:

Record keeping: Worth of a document expressed in monetary terms, due to some unique factor such as a signature, age, seal, or circumstances in which it was created


Especially the last one is what makes that the bitcoin-protocol has Intrinsic Value. Just because in essence it is a Ledger! Keep that always in mind.

For as long as people exist, we register value (units of work) in Ledgers. They are extremely useful and thereby extremely valuable. Especially if you can offer a secure and immutable Ledger (ask your Notary). But all known Ledgers before 2008 weren’t that secure, there was always some single point of failure (corruption, fraud, war, etc.). Until 2008 when the bitcoin-protocol was invented (for which there will be a Noble-price once), which solved “trust in an untrusty environment”. A decentralized trust-less and immutable Ledger was born, which is storming the world in finance, accountancy and notary right now, as it’s so much better than what we had before.


Please read this post https://www.elitetrader.com/et/posts/4472699/.
There I explained that one full bitcoin, actually represents 100 million Ledger-rows. So if you own one you can register a lot in this immutable Ledger. Many see the Intrinsic Value of such rows, as they will be used in future for everything we as people use ledgers for. And as such, 100 million rows are now worth about $2000. Which I (and many investors who understand what this means) think is a bargain. In 10 maybe 20 years our world will use these ledgers massively. And the ledger which offers the most secure and useful features will be worth a lot. Currently, among all the crypto-currencies, it’s Bitcoin which is by far the most secure (it has the most accountants{miners} and is extremely stubborn to protocol changes). This means that when tinkering might change its security, prices will tumble (as its Intrinsic Value goes down).
Look. Intrinsic value is whatever you can get for something right now. In a war situation, are you going to take payment for a loaf of bread or tank of gas, are you going to take bitcoin or gold? Or silver or copper or a bond?
I would take precious metal. I would laugh at someone offering bitcoin.
 
Look. Intrinsic value is whatever you can get for something right now. In a war situation, are you going to take payment for a loaf of bread or tank of gas, are you going to take bitcoin or gold? Or silver or copper or a bond?
I would take precious metal. I would laugh at someone offering bitcoin.
A Gold/Silver coin or two or twenty. Otherwise I'd laugh at anyone who think they can lug much more. Anyway in wartime the real metal to possess is a gun and plenty of ammo.
 
The move will maximize ups and downs even in a widely volatile market and the development that could cause their price determinants to change over time.
 
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