What basic two things am I misunderstanding about moving averages?

ok that's a good tip--i will ck it out--thanks! I wonder if anyone has had success using moving averages for VIX related trading. That is something of a different animal than stocks, and seems like might be more likely to work than for equities.
 
panzerman said:
If using end-of-day data, the shortest period would be a two day cycle (0.5 Hz), which is the Nyquist frequency. Stay several octaves away from the Nyquist frequency because of noise. No shorter period than an eight day cycle (0.125 Hz). Anyhow, if desiring to use moving averages, use Ehlers Supersmoothers, which have just about the smallest lag of all lowpass filters.
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Panzerman , I loved your response which made me grin from ear to ear. And while it makes perfect sense to me, I used to teach this stuff, it probably makes no sense to most traders here. Most of them will intuitively discover what works better. I loved your use of octaves for a doubling of the frequency, mixing the musical with the physical.

But let me say this about that, as President Kennedy used to say. While you are of course correct in wanting to use longer periods to eliminate short term noise (what swing traders, and macro economic trend investors do) there is likely only a handful of people on this site that have any clue of what the fuck you are talking about. But thank you for the laugh. (I'm sure if there are any Goldman Physicists reading this they are getting a good chuckle too.)
 
Are you really that stupid?
piezoe said:
Panzerman , I loved your response which made me grin from ear to ear. And while it makes perfect sense to me, I used to teach this stuff, it probably makes no sense to most traders here. Most of them will intuitively discover what works better. I loved your use of octaves for a doubling of the frequency, mixing the musical with the physical.

But let me say this about that, as President Kennedy used to say. While you are of course correct in wanting to use longer periods to eliminate short term noise (what swing traders, and macro economic trend investors do) there is likely only a handful of people on this site that have any clue of what the fuck you are talking about. But thank you for the laugh. (I'm sure if there are any Goldman Physicists reading this they are getting a good chuckle too.)
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When you miss plot a moving average you have to do all kinds of dancing to make sense of it.The last real plot of a moving average should be plotted at one half the moving average behind the last data point.
 
heypa said:
When you miss plot a moving average you have to do all kinds of dancing to make sense of it.The last real plot of a moving average should be plotted at one half the moving average behind the last data point.
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and what this is going to achieve in real time?
 
Vicirick Just keep on dancing rather than use realistic analysis. Just plot some correctly and see if you can use them.If not revert to dancing and see if you can figure out how to use them as incorrectly plotted. If not drop them.
 
heypa said:
Vicirick Just keep on dancing rather than use realistic analysis. Just plot some correctly and see if you can use them.If not revert to dancing and see if you can figure out how to use them as incorrectly plotted. If not drop them.
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OK, I just plotted yesterday's market action as you said. Now how I can make money with it today? Are you using it? How much money did you make using it?
 
We are discussing the use of moving averages not my trading results. Hurst a long time ago wrote a book about cyclic analysis.There is a lot of good information in the previous entrees and many threads discussing moving averages contain suggestions on using them. With 635 posts you're obviously not a newbie.Do the the work don't ask to be spoon fed. You looked at one chart. Whoopee.
 
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