What are the Dem Commies saying about the situation in Cuba?

gwb-trading said:
AOC silent as DSA appears to back Cuba's communist regime over protesters
Ocasio-Cortez is one of four Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) members in Congress
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-cuba-protests-democratic-socialists.amp

New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and three other House Democrats affiliated with the far-left Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) have so far remained silent while the DSA appears to back Cuba's communist regime against protesters demanding freedom.

Ocasio-Cortez, Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib, New York Rep. Jamaal Bowman and Missouri Rep. Cori Bush make up the four DSA members in Congress. All four members have yet to speak out about the ongoing protests in Cuba and none of their offices returned Fox News' requests for comment by press time.

The DSA International Committee on Monday declared its solidarity with the "Revolution" – the term used by the communist regime – "in this moment of unrest." The DSA's national arm also echoed Cuba's president in blaming America's trade embargo with the communist regime for the unrest.

The DSA didn't return Fox News' request for comment by time of publication.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, broke his silence on the Cuban protests in a late-night tweet Monday that urged the Cuban government to "refrain from violence" while criticizing the U.S. for its embargo.

Cuba isn't the only socialist regime to receive positive treatment from the DSA.

Earlier this month, a DSA delegation met with Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro, who tweeted photos from the meeting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1411150426049810434
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Cuddles said:
fox reaching again:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1414400133614145540

I've got nothing to say on the Maduro meet, that was straight up stupid
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This argument of we deal with China, et al but not Cuba...

Cuba is 90 miles off of the mainland. Sure you can see Russia from Sarah Palins house but it’s remote. Cuba is not remote. They are extremely close proximity. It makes relations with them very different.

If we open up to them it makes it very easy for a lot of their fellow commie/authoritarian buddies to get even further into our country.

No. Sorry. Cannot have that insecurity a quick boat ride away.

The Chavistas or whatever they call themselves now have to go. They need to have some semblance of a democracy before we fully open.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
It is not necessarily clear that opening up full trade and relations will result in the humanitarian gains either. I am in favoring of moving forward in some steps so I am not just trying to speak against it. I am just telling you where I get hung up/need more input to get there in my mind.

Yes, Ocho raises the people, family, jobs, aspirational points that we all want to see and those are the the zippy things to support. On the other hand, none of us should be naive about what the accusations would be two years down the road if we just removed all barriers. And those accusations would come from the Cubans outraged that the opening up of relations led to a flood of gringo money and big business capitalism plundering Cuba and providing revenue to prop up a failing regime while the Cuban population gets peanuts from it and still lives in poverty. And we know there will/would be a lot/much of that. So it is not immediately clear to me that this is a "humanitarian" versus "national security" issue. Since it has only been a day or two since I have seen them, I am reminded of the Cuban protester comments/signs that say: "You build hotels, while we starve." Something to think about. They already are getting a heavy dose of that.

One can argue "well, what do they have to lose." Well actually a lot if we prop up or provide revenue and diplomatic support for a regime that then hangs on for years to feather their own nest, whereas they might have been driven out by unrest if no one saved them, and then the people could get better or different leadership. There are no guarantees of anything anywhere nor is it easy. Was it any different for the Americans in the revolution. You could be very easily get hung for resisting the government. The people in Portland, Maine spoke out against the Crown and the British brought in their fleet and shelled and burned the entire city into oblivion. So yeh, the Cubans be in a tough spot but this can happen to freedom loving people.

Having said that, I would still like to move forward in some kind of manner even if limited just as a matter of keeping the issue alive and leaning forward. Biden's press secretary, ironically, said just a few days before this blew up that "Cuba was not a top priority." You can read that to mean "not any priority and the Biden administration is not in the business of making Cuban republicans happy." In an ideal world, the Cubans would get rowdy enough to move the current dildo out and we could go forward on better terms. As we see in VZ, it doesnt always end out there but freedom lovers should decide for themselves how committed they are.
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This is all true. Nothing brings about strong arm corruption like big pots of money either.
 
I see that the Cuban regime has rolled out old Raul Castro from the mothball fleet to help counter the image that the regime is old and behind the times. womp...womp. Yeh, the Joe Biden of Cuba. Maybe he and Joe can meet and go for a ride. I am pretty sure they both own 1956 Chevy Bel Airs. Raul would have a few cadillacs for personal use too.

On a somewhat more serious and practical note, the CIA analysts will be watching that scenario bigtime to see how the new guy either is or is not in charge.

To squelch protests, Cuba rolls out 90-year-old Raul Castro. How archaic

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article252762393.html
 
El OchoCinco said:
Again... China.... Russia... Vietnam.....no problem so lets shit on the tiny island nation?

Cuba is where you draw the line now?
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I wouldn’t say where I personally draw the line but I do factor in national security when I think about this stuff. We need Cuba to not be a threat, at least from the people in charge of the government.

I have nothing against the Cuban people but giving that type of money to the regime in power would only strengthen their hold on power. There’s a reason why our relations with Cuba have been the way they are for so long. It’s not to punish the Cuban people, it’s for our own protection.
 
Cuddles said:
GQP:
"the people are protesting in the streets to fight communism"

Also GQP:
"by "the people" the DSA really means the government you see, and by "supporting the revolution" they actually mean the government cracking down on them".
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Yes... the DSA "supporting the revolution" is outlining their support the repressive Cuban government and not those protesting against it. This is obvious from not only this particular statement... but all of their previous statements.
 
UsualName said:
I wouldn’t say where I personally draw the line but I do factor in national security when I think about this stuff. We need Cuba to not be a threat, at least from the people in charge of the government.

I have nothing against the Cuban people but giving that type of money to the regime in power would only strengthen their hold on power. There’s a reason why our relations with Cuba have been the way they are for so long. It’s not to punish the Cuban people, it’s for our own protection.
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Cuba has not been a threat since the early 1960s....

the reason why our relations have been the way they are for so long is because our government does what it always does... caters to people to win an election (such as the south florida rich cubans) and then moves on to their own personal shit. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump... none of them have any fear of Cuba or give a shit... it was just to win one state in the election.

Cuba is not a threat at all but China is but we embrace them in trade and commerce since the 1970s... Cuba does not have any military power or weapons. We shoved a military base down their throat and they had no choice to accept it.

Cuba has never been a threat, sadly the U.S. just knows what it is told.

How can you tell me we need Cuba not to be a threat first before we do anything and China and Afghanistan and Pakistan are ok???

Seriously.....I think people who speak on this subject have not done the research or even visited the country.
 
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