What about North Korea?

Even if N Korea is a bigger problem for the world peace, what does it have to do with USA?

How about South Koreans taking care of it. They actually protested a lot lately against US troops on their soil. So why won't they take care of their northern brethren.

How about France, they want to play a major role on international scene. This time instead of critisizing whatever it is USA is doing, let them take the initiative. I am quite sure they can resolve the crisis by negotiating North Koreans to death. And if it does not work, they can always send their army of three musketeers to fight on S.Korea side. S. Koreans do not like USA troops, maybe they'll like fried french.

If three musketeers are not enough, msfe can always organize a dozen of swiss guards to participate in fighting. The guys must be feeling rusty, the last time they were in a battle was when... 500 years ago, right?

If this does not work France can always resort to its national tradition and surrender to the enemy. That will do it. Already starving N. Korea will collapse under its own weight scrambling to find enough cheese and frogs to feed the french.

Belgium can help too. They want to sue Sharon, I am sure they might as well file a lawsuit agains Kim Jong Il. I am sure this could work, disgraced Kim will surrender to belgium police and spend the rest of his life in belgium jail.

Seriously though, I am sick and tired of this attitude. The whole world protests against USA, does not want USA to be world's policeman yet we are expected to participate in a nuclear confrontation with a crazy country which does not have anything to do with our national interests. Let's teach them a lesson. Let's pull our military in S. Korea out of the harm's way, protect Japan, our only true ally in the region and let the rest of the world handle the N.Korean crisis by themselves.
 
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Even if N Korea is a bigger problem for the world peace, what does it have to do with USA?
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This is not good, it seems they have a lot to do with us...

NK Missile Warhead Found in Alaska

By Ryu Jin
Staff Reporter

The warhead of a long-range missile test-fired by North Korea was found in the U.S. state of Alaska, a report to the National Assembly revealed yesterday.

``According to a U.S. document, the last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska,¡¯¡¯ former Japanese foreign minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying in the report. ``Washington, as well as Tokyo, has so far underrated Pyongyang¡¯s missile capabilities.¡¯¡¯

03-04-2003 17:27


http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200303/kt2003030417272311970.htm

This is a big deal. They have capability of producing additional nukes. Intelligence claims they have 3-4 already. And now they have demonstrated they can reach the homeland.

This needs some serious attention. It sure does place pressure on the diplomatic/military maneuvering. I have not heard anything on main TV media yet.


Josh
 
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Look at the guy in the picture on the extreme left ( in the suit and tie ).....

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....is it just me or is he checking out Kim's butt? You think he fancies a roll in the hay with Dear Leader?
 
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[Look at the guy in the picture on the extreme left ( in the suit and tie ).....

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....is it just me or is he checking out Kim's butt? You think he fancies a roll in the hay with Dear Leader?
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Good observation

lol.. do you think he was the same who sent the warhead to Alaska?



Josh
 
FULL TEXT AT:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz030303.asp


March 3, 2003, 8:30 a.m.
The Other Imminent Danger
North Korea.

Today, the United States stands on the brink of war — with North Korea. War with North Korea is much more likely than either the administration or the media have indicated. And our coming invasion of Iraq may trigger developments that push us still closer to conflict on the Korean peninsula.

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Up to now, hawks have had an answer to the charge that they apply a double standard to Iraq and North Korea. The hawks point out that we are attacking Saddam Hussein, but not North Korea, precisely because Saddam does not yet have nuclear arms, while North Korea does. We are trying to prevent Saddam from putting us into the same sort of impossible situation that the North Koreans already have. That is a fine answer. Yet it does not go far enough. The sad truth is that we do still face a terrible choice in North Korea, quite like the one we face with Saddam. And as the North Koreans begin to produce plutonium, that choice will be forced. Either we allow ourselves to lose the war on terror by subjecting ourselves to a nuclear-armed al Qaeda, or we place our faith in bogus international guarantees and inspections regimes, or we go to war with North Korea. That war, with a power capable of killing hundreds of thousands of South Koreans — and Americans — may force us to use tactical nuclear weapons.

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It will be said that all of this is the madness of the cowboys running the Bush administration. How else could we have moved from so long a relative peace to the brink of multiple destructive wars? Our nightmare, sadly, is the result of the lethal combination of terror and proliferating weapons of mass destruction, not the actions of the Bush administration. For all our might and technology, the confluence of terror and WMDs has the power to destroy us — if we do not destroy it first.
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This is a big deal. They have capability of producing additional nukes. Intelligence claims they have 3-4 already. And now they have demonstrated they can reach the homeland.
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As far as mainland is concerned they can only reach Hollywood so it is really not a big deal. Hollywood is anti-war anyways, they will get what they bargain for. (This was a joke of course).

On a serious note, N.Korea can easily reach S. Korea, China, Japan, Russia a bunch of other countries before it can reach USA. If they are all not worried and want our troops out of the region, why should we stay and make it all our problem. Let's oblige, pull our troops out and forget all about it. Why should we protect them, they will never thank us, just like Europe did not.

The likelihood of N. Korean nukes reaching USA is only theoretical, the chances of them actually daring to attack America are even less. They know full well that will be the end of N. Korea as we know it and the territory will not be inhabitable for the next 1000 years either.

They are crazy, not stupid. Their mentality is different from that of Arab suicide bombers and they do not believe in 70+virgins post-mortem, they do not want to be wiped out and the chances of them nuking USA are almost none. Especially if we pull the troops - that will deprive them of any reason to do it.

I do agree with you, it is a big problem, I just do not think it should be our problem. They do not want America to be the world's policeman, so let's reverse the roles. Let the world try to sort it out without us for a change and we'll step back, do nothing and critisize.


 
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I do agree with you, it is a big problem, I just do not think it should be our problem. They do not want America to be the world's policeman, so let's reverse the roles. Let the world try to sort it out without us for a change and we'll step back, do nothing and critisize.
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Stuart Taylor has just published a piece on exactly this topic.

http://nationaljournal.com/taylor.htm

How Free-Riding French, Germans Risk Nuclear Anarchy
By Stuart Taylor Jr., National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Monday, March 3, 2003

EXCERPTS:

Imagine President Bush responding as follows to the latest rebuffs from France, Germany, South Korea and others and to the stunning surge of anti-Americanism around the world:

"Enough. The American people are weary of holding the world's rogue regimes and barbarians at bay in the face of sneers and obstructionism from faithless 'allies' such as France, Germany and South Korea, who owe their freedom to America. So I have decided, with a heavy heart, to acquiesce in the profoundly misguided but implacable demands of world opinion and to end our efforts to disarm Iraq and liberate its oppressed people. From this point forward, my policy will be to defend the United States and our true friends. We will pull our troops out of Germany, the Persian Gulf, and South Korea. We will disengage from NATO and the United Nations. I will urge Congress to invest the savings in airtight border controls and missile defense. And I will begin a crash program to end U.S. reliance on Persian Gulf oil.

"We will leave our critics to deal as best they can with nuclear-armed North Korea; with soon-to-be-nuclear-armed Iraq, Iran, and maybe Libya, Syria, and Indonesia; and with the nascent black market in doomsday weapons for terrorists. It has become clear that the United States and our friends cannot long prevent the spread of such weapons while nations such as France and Germany undermine our efforts and trade with our enemies."

How would the French, Germans, Arabs, South Koreans, Chinese and other America-bashers like that?

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Like a spoiled teenager who expects her parents to support her even though she refuses to do any work around the house and constantly mouths off to them, these nations enjoy the benefits of U.S. global policing while refusing to share in the costs and trashing the policeman.

Take the views of many anti-war Europeans that Iraq should not be invaded but "contained." By whom? France? Germany? Belgium? They could not contain the two-bit Serbian tyrant, Slobodan Milosevic. And they have been no help -- indeed, they have been a great hindrance -- in containing Iraq. They want the U.S. to do it, through a costly, draining, long-term commitment of American forces. At the same time, they bash the U.S. for the military pressure and economic sanctions -- "starving Iraqi babies" -- that undergird containment.

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But underlying them all is the implicit calculation that the safest course for European nations (and others) is to obstruct American policies while free riding on American power. This calculation rests on two assumptions that may prove to be catastrophically wrong. The first is that as long as Paris and Berlin appease the Arab world and Europe's own militant Muslims, it will be New York and Washington -- not Paris or Berlin -- that are targeted for destruction by any weapons of mass destruction that jihadists obtain from Iraq or other rogue regimes. The second is that Europe need not share in the costs and risks of keeping rogue regimes in check, because Uncle Sam will do it for them.

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It may be too much to expect the European and Arab publics, who are fed grotesque caricatures of Bush and America by their media and intelligentsia, to grasp their own interests in helping the United States defang Iraq. But wise leadership is about seeing one's national interest in the long term, and educating public opinion instead of pandering to it. The superficially clever Chirac and Schroeder are not wise leaders. They are fools. And they are helping to bring the world closer to a dark era of nuclear anarchy.
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KymarFye:

`The superficially clever Chirac and Schroeder are not wise leaders. They are fools.´

but they are democratically elected `fools´ - contrary to other `wise [dear] leaders´


`But wise leadership is about seeing one's national interest in the long term, and educating public opinion instead of pandering to it.´


LESSONS OF THE GULF WAR

Every war supplies us with lessons we must learn. There were the lessons of Munich and the lessons of Vietnam. It is not too early for us to learn the lessons of the Gulf War, lest we lose the peace.

l. War is Wonderful. We have learned at last that war is glorious, war is wonderful. As they said about the Spanish-American war, this was a "splendid little war." Our war effort from now on can be so high-tech that no American need die in one ever again. Three times as many American soldiers died in accidents in the Gulf before the war began than during the actual fighting. Deaths among enemy soldiers and civilians are solely the fault of the Evil Enemy.

From now on, the only opponents of an American war will be traitors, yellow-bellies, Commies, neo-Nazis, and anti-Semites.

War is also a great unifier. Petty domestic problems, such as taxes, deficits, banking crises are forgotten in the great uplifting current that brings back to America a sense of unity, of belonging, of common national purpose. Those who grumble at that unity are traitors and yellow-bellies.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch26.html
 
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Stuart Taylor has just published a piece on exactly this topic.

http://nationaljournal.com/taylor.htm
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Great minds think alike. But I came up with it two weeks earlier then Stuart Taylor. :D :D :D :D

And it does not even have to go as far as the article describes. After the first serious problem, like a nuclear confrontation between Koreas or Iraq and Iran reshaping the map, or another Miloshevic in their backyard whom they cannot handle, they will all be back begging America to get involved. We'll probably be able to charge them for our military assistance then. :)
 
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