West Virginia Vote Flipping Caught on Tape

Quote from Thunderdog:

Yup, I just knew that if I looked for it in the article that I'd find it:

"...No case of a Republican vote flipping Democrat has yet been reported."

I hope that the Democrats have sufficient ground forces to deal with these outrages.
Democratic leaders are cowards. They had sufficient grounds to deal with the outrages of Florida 2000 but chose not to.

One county in Florida actually had a negative vote count for Gore. An election expert said that could not have happened accidently: it had to be deliberate tampering, albeit of the inept variety to be so obvious.
 
Quote from Gringinho:


The amount of fraud and corruption in the US is appalling - from corporate, finance into politics and public society. Ethics and integrity have little place when greed rules it seems. Letting the benefiters guard the oversight is so utterly flawed, and there needs to be open audit so that corruption and fraud like this can be constantly pressured to be fixed.

Well said. Unfortunately regulation is required to keep it in check. But when the regulators fail, greater regulations are needed. And in the end, those who do not fall into the categories you listed will be affected by the regulations needed for those who do. Getting an open audit as you suggest might not even be possible, though wouldn't such a goal be a great starting point for a third party?
 
Quote from kut2k2:

Democratic leaders are cowards. They had sufficient grounds to deal with the outrages of Florida 2000 but chose not to.

One county in Florida actually had a negative vote count for Gore. An election expert said that could not have happened accidently: it had to be deliberate tampering, albeit of the inept variety to be so obvious.

Prove it. Show a link.
 
Quote from wjk:

Well said. Unfortunately regulation is required to keep it in check. But when the regulators fail, greater regulations are needed. And in the end, those who do not fall into the categories you listed will be affected by the regulations needed for those who do. Getting an open audit as you suggest might not even be possible, though wouldn't such a goal be a great starting point for a third party?

In the months before, I have been posting a lot about direct democracy and a representative direct democracy as a transition. Open audit and transparency are possible while still maintaining voting privacy/secrecy - using technology. As long as the technological platforms are 100% transparent, and open to review and improvements, then one can trust fully in election software.

Regulations should not be done by individuals, but by automated systems that do not think or offer subjective bias. This especially goes for the regulations supporting something important like democratic processes. Such systems are incorruptible.
 
Quote from kut2k2:

Democratic leaders are cowards. They had sufficient grounds to deal with the outrages of Florida 2000 but chose not to.

One county in Florida actually had a negative vote count for Gore. An election expert said that could not have happened accidently: it had to be deliberate tampering, albeit of the inept variety to be so obvious.

Gore outplayed himself with the Florida recount.
First thing he should have done is at least look fair, and call for a full state recount. Instead he tried to play the system by only asking for recounts in heavily democratic counties.

It was this decision that gave the Supreme court its opening to rule the recount was not equal to all voters in Florida. They then had cause to stop the recount.

Why did Gore go this route. Only one answer, he knew he did not have the votes to win a total state recount.
 
Quote from Mercor:

Gore outplayed himself with the Florida recount.
First thing he should have done is at least look fair, and call for a full state recount.

Which Gore didn't have the power to request under Florida state law. (The Florida SC, however, order this -- and was then stopped by the Supreme Court.)

It was this decision that gave the Supreme court its opening to rule the recount was not equal to all voters in Florida. They then had cause to stop the recount.

Why did Gore go this route. Only one answer, he knew he did not have the votes to win a total state recount.

Or, possibly, because that wasn't an option under Florida state law.

(And by the way, according to the Miami Herald's investigation Gore would have won the statewide recount using the methodology which is most similar to Florida law.)
 
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