WeChat is to be banned in the USA

[vanzandt]

That explains the rapid deterioration of food quality of KFC. It's owned by China which had its own chicken franchise decimated by KFC earlier. Pizza Hut is bankrupt btw.

No Pizza Hut is a part of Yum. You are referring to one of the larger independent franchisee's that went under.

When I said Pizza Hut is killing them, that was perhaps unclear... Yum China operates KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut. KFC and Taco Bell kick ass over there, but Pizza Hut has been real dog for them. They've been trying to turn it around ever since YUMC was spun off from YUM.

 

[vanzandt]

That explains the rapid deterioration of food quality of KFC. It's owned by China which had its own chicken franchise decimated by KFC earlier. Pizza Hut is bankrupt btw.

As an aside, thats why one would never want to hold CMG short overnight.

Brian Niccol, their CEO that is responsible for its meteoric rise since 2018, he ran Pizza Hut for awhile at Yum and was actually the first player in that sector to introduce on-line ordering way back when. He then took over Taco Bell for Yum and turned them around. He was instrumental in the creation/spinoff of Yum China.

Point being... this guy knows all about China and one of these days, I've said it forever, we're going to wake up to the announcement that CMG has struck a deal and is entering the Chinese market in a big way.

The stock will jump 30% in one day. Its only a matter of time.

 

[JSOP]

As an aside, thats why one would never want to hold CMG short overnight.

Brian Niccol, their CEO that is responsible for its meteoric rise since 2018, he ran Pizza Hut for awhile at Yum and was actually the first player in that sector to introduce on-line ordering way back when. He then took over Taco Bell for Yum and turned them around. He was instrumental in the creation/spinoff of Yum China.

Point being... this guy knows all about China and one of these days, I've said it forever, we're going to wake up to the announcement that CMG has struck a deal and is entering the Chinese market in a big way.

The stock will jump 30% in one day. Its only a matter of time.

With the China and US tension that's going on and the general rise of xenophobic Chinese nationalism over in China right now, not sure anything is entering China any time soon. And for anything that enters into China now, the Chinese government is going to demand for bigger cut. I mean Disney Shanghai was only allowed to be opened in China after the Chinese government secured a 51% ownership in the venture for nothing but providing the land and its people basically. So not sure these joint ventures with China is really that beneficial to the west anymore.

It's really a shame that Pizza Hut went under. I liked their pizza actually but they had a horrible knack of choosing locations and internal management.

 

[piezoe]

That is NOT true. Here is how the Electoral College system works in the USA. This is the explanation taken from the USA Election information website https://www.usa.gov/election#item-36072

After you cast your ballot for president, your vote goes to a statewide tally. In 48 states and Washington, D.C., the winner gets all the electoral votes for that state. Maine and Nebraska assign their electors using a proportional system.

A candidate needs the vote of at least 270 electors—more than half of all electors—to win the presidential election.

In most cases, a projected winner is announced on election night in November after you vote. But the actual Electoral College vote takes place in mid-December when the electors meet in their states.

While the Constitution doesn’t require electors to follow their state's popular vote, many states' laws do. Though it's rare, electors have challenged those laws and voted for someone else. But in July 2020 the Supreme Court ruled (PDF, Download Adobe Reader)that those state laws are constitutional. Electors must follow their state's popular vote, if the state has passed such a law.

So in fact, the president of the United States IS indeed elected by the people because the electors in the electoral college for each state are required to vote according to how the people voted in that state whether the winner is determined by a "winner take all" approach or a proportionate approach.

For the House of Representatives and the judiciary system, it's still better that they are elected vs. in China and in many countries even including Canada, another branch of the government like the Senate and the judges are appointed by the sitting leader of the country.

So it's really inappropriate to compare the forming of the US government branches and the election of its leader to the absolute dictatorial nature of how a leader is chosen in countries like China where the people do not have any choice of even which candidate(s) can land on a ballot. Check for how Hong Kong, a region that's supposed to be allowed to follow its own democratic process of leader selection can elect its own leader.

No system is perfect and the electoral college is no means free of flaws but it is still a far cry from being undemocratic. If countries like and including China can get something even just remotely resembling the US election process, its people will be lot more happier.

You've just made a detailed argument for me. As I said, the election of the President is non-democratic. Notice I did not say the election of electors is non-democratic. I said election of the President is non-democratic. One of the core principles of democratic government is that of majority rule. The electors are chosen according to this rule in each of the 50 States. That is not where democracy ends, because the electors than choose the President by majority vote.

However, if you say the President is elected by the people democratically, you would of course be wrong. The precise meaning of my statement is that the President of the United States is not elected democratically by the people. My statement applies specifically to election by majority vote, directly or indirectly, of the people. The people do not elect the U.S. president democratically. That would require that the President be elected, even indirectly, by a majority of the voting citizens of the United States. Under our non-democratic election procedure, when this happens it is only by serendipitous accident. This is hardly what anyone would term democratic. In the U.S., the President can be elected indirectly by a minority of voting citizens. This is the very essence of a non-democratic election by the people.

You might find it instructive to look up the main principles of democratic rule. If you do, you will find that a republican form of government, such as the United States has, does not have to be entirely democratic but can contain, actually I know of no exceptions, non-democratic elements, as of course our U.S. Republic does.

Please note I am not arguing the merits of the electoral procedure the U.S. uses. I am merely calling your attention to something every U.S. citizen should know.

 

[JSOP]

You've just made a detailed argument for me. As I said, the election of the President is non-democratic. Notice I did not say the election of electors is non-democratic. I said election of the President is non-democratic. One of the core principles of democratic government is that of majority rule. The electors are chosen according to this rule in each of the 50 States. That is not where democracy ends, because the electors than choose the President by majority vote.

However, if you say the President is elected by the people democratically, you would of course be wrong. The precise meaning of my statement is that the President of the United States is not elected democratically by the people. My statement applies specifically to election by majority vote, directly or indirectly, of the people. The people do not elect the U.S. president democratically. That would require that the President be elected, even indirectly, by a majority of the voting citizens of the United States. Under our non-democratic election procedure, when this happens it is only by serendipitous accident. This is hardly what anyone would term democratic. In the U.S., the President can be elected indirectly by a minority of voting citizens. This is the very essence of a non-democratic election by the people.

You might find it instructive to look up the main principles of democratic rule. If you do, you will find that a republican form of government, such as the United States has, does not have to be entirely democratic but can contain, actually I know of no exceptions, non-democratic elements, as of course our U.S. Republic does.

Please note I am not arguing the merits of the electoral procedure the U.S. uses. I am merely calling your attention to something every U.S. citizen should know.

They already know that. I am just pointing out that your way of understanding and describing the electoral college system is flawed and not accurate. A more complete and accurate description of how the electoral college system is what was posted on the US election website. If according to that information, you still think that the election process of the president in the United States is undemocratic, then that's your opinion to which you are certainly entitled.

 

[piezoe]

They already know that. I am just pointing out that your way of understanding and describing the electoral college system is flawed and not accurate.

It is not. It is exactly as yours. No ,I'm being too generous here. Your understanding of what is required of the electors is not quite correct. In the past, they have not always voted for the candidate they were pledged to. For details see the history of electoral college voting. As a matter of fact, this is a matter of quite recent controversy. [see https://www.cpr.org/2020/07/06/supr...orado-washington-in-faithless-electors-case/]

Who is "they". If they is "you". You did not know that our president is not elected democratically. Do you recall what you posted? It was this:

"The USA president is elected by the people through a democratic process."

And then, strangely, you responded with a discourse on the electoral college.
And why are you dragging me into a discussion of the electoral college?, which is cut and dried, except for your minor misunderstanding of the uniformity of the electors obligation.

The critical and terribly important point I made is that we, in the U.S. do not elect our presidents democratically.

 

[JSOP]

"The USA president is elected by the people through a democratic process."

And then, strangely, you responded with a discourse on the electoral college.
And why are you dragging me into a discussion of the electoral college?, which is cut and dried, except for your minor misunderstanding of the uniformity of the electors obligation.

The critical and terribly important point I made is that we, in the U.S. do not elect our presidents democratically.

I did NOT drag you into a discussion of the electoral college. It's you who chose to equate the election process of the US president to that of in countries like China in terms of degrees of democracy which I don't agree with. And then it was you who decided to justify the "undemocratic" process based on your flawed and biased understanding and view of the electoral college system.

If you REALLY feel that the election of the US president is just as undemocratic as that of countries like China, then feel free to live there.

 

[piezoe]

I did NOT drag you into a discussion of the electoral college. It's you who chose to equate the election process of the US president to that of in countries like China in terms of degrees of democracy which I don't agree with. And then it was you who decided to justify the "undemocratic" process based on your flawed and biased understanding and view of the electoral college system.

If you REALLY feel that the election of the US president is just as undemocratic as that of countries like China, then feel free to live there.

Young man, I have thoroughly confused you, for which I apologize. China? My only mention of China was in a much earlier post with regard to internet censoring practice. I'm afraid you've got unrelated topics thoroughly mashed up in your brain like mashed potatoes. I can't be responsible for that. How old are you? Anyway, you seem like a nice young man.

 

[tsznecki]

That is not correct. The USA president is elected by the people through a democratic process. The president of China? Uh no. That's the difference. We are NOT the same. Even if the President of the US from now on decides to make all of the decisions unilaterally, it's still not the same because the President USA still represents the people.

Nobody who is a native english speaker says "the usa president". You are as Chinese as the president of China.

Let's get straight to the point @JSOP / volpunter. You self hate.

 

[JSOP]

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