We Will Not Go Quietly Into The Night!

You do realize of course that the first time you ever made a public telephone call from your home or otherwise you lost every "constitutional" Liberty you thought you once had.

Right?


Quote from IanMacQuaide:

One of the guarantees in the Constitution is "liberty".
Anything, I repeat, ANYTHING that stands in the way of one seeking medical care is an abrogation of that liberty.
Our Constitutional liberties are not a privilege, they're assured us as our birthright by our Creator.
The Constitution of The United States of America just happens to word it all very nicely.
 
There's a big difference between one's liberty to do or not do something, and forcing others to pay for it, especially with no limitations.
 
People die every day because health insurance companies (capitalists) delay or deny health benefits for those who actually pay their premiums...

Does your heart bleed for these people?

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

The same amoral commie cunts who favor abortion and social engineering will now fall over themselves as proponents of de facto state sponsored euthanasia. For the greater good of course.

I could just as easily make the same argument. Why waste money on prenatal care for babies born to the indignant when they'll only die several years later in a drive-by or from a drug overdose?

How noble to stiff the elderly-some of whom paid literally millions in Federal taxes so that Ghetto Nation can receive comped, pro-bono care paid for by the very taxes of those older folks who toil in serfdom for Big Brother.
 
Do you have health insurance? Or do you do you depend on medicaid? Or are you a personal payer?

Either way you have no liberty. And you never have.

Quote from ByLoSellHi:

There's a big difference between one's liberty to do or not do something, and forcing others to pay for it, especially with no limitations.
 
The problem isn't who lives or dies. The free market already decides that! The insured and affluent live. And the poor, uninsured die! Charity, notwithstanding.

The problem is GOVERNMENT picking Winners and Losers! That we allow Government to become the ultimate arbiter over the Markets, Economy, and Life itself!

This is hardcore Socialism bordering on Totalitarianism.

The Government has picked winners (and losers) in banking, insurance, and the auto-sector based on the most corrupt of pretense - political clout and donor money.

The new cap-and-trade Co2 legislation just expands Federal control over markets - at the heart of the bill, 85% of all CO2 "allowances" (read: carbon 'credits', free of charge) will be GRANTED BY POLITICAL COMMITTEE. Guess what happens if you're a Mom-and-Pop factory with no political slush fund the likes of DOW or Exxonn??? Or you happen to be a card-carrying Republican and your competitor down the road is a life-long Democrat who snuggled up to left-wing Administration??? No carbon credits for you. And the competition just ate your lunch = picking winners and losers.

This is Hardcore Socialism, folks.

Look at the proposed Federal Reserve overhaul bill : unilateral FED power to regulate ANY-AND-ALL INDUSTRIES, *and* takeover or Shutdown any Company deemed a "threat" to the "stability" of the financial system

The Fed is a Privately-Owned Corporation whose board appointee's are elected by and act on behalf of......Private American Banks!

So now JP Morgan, Citi Group and Bank of America are about to regulate every aspect of Americas economy - down to the last hot-dog stand and shoe-string factory - via their proxy holding Company.....the Federal Reserve!!!

Our Government never had this totalitarian authority to seize and shutdown Private Enterprise.

Soon, the Bankers will. And Bernacke said if we audit the Fed, markets and the dollar will crash!! Bailout#1 ring a bell?!?!

What do you think will happen to America if Large Banks get to write the rules not just for themselves and their competition, BUT FOR EVERYONE?!???

CITI BANK DECIDES WHO LIVES.

CITI BANK DECIDES WHO DIES.


This is a new Form Of Government: Economic Tyranny OF, FOR AND BY THE BANKERS.

Banker Combines are dissolving Government and openly Declaring their Rule Over America.

This is Mussolini Fascism.

This is it. America doesn't have 3 years left. This is it.

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Quote from achilles28:

The problem isn't who lives or dies. The free market already decides that! The insured and affluent live. And the poor, uninsured die! Charity, notwithstanding.

The problem is GOVERNMENT picking Winners and Losers! That we allow Government to become the ultimate arbiter over the Markets, Economy, and Life itself!

This is hardcore Socialism bordering on Totalitarianism.

The Government has picked winners (and losers) in banking, insurance, and the auto-sector based on the most corrupt of pretense - political clout and donor money.

The new cap-and-trade Co2 legislation just expands Federal control over markets - at the heart of the bill, 85% of all CO2 "allowances" (read: carbon 'credits', free of charge) will be GRANTED BY POLITICAL COMMITTEE. Guess what happens if you're a Mom-and-Pop factory with no political slush fund the likes of DOW or Exxonn??? Or you happen to be a card-carrying Republican and your competitor down the road is a life-long Democrat who snuggled up to left-wing Administration??? No carbon credits for you. And the competition just ate your lunch = picking winners and losers.

This is Hardcore Socialism, folks.

Look at the proposed Federal Reserve overhaul bill : unilateral FED power to regulate ANY-AND-ALL INDUSTRIES, *and* takeover or Shutdown any Company deemed a "threat" to the "stability" of the financial system

The Fed is a Privately-Owned Corporation whose board appointee's are elected by and act on behalf of......Private American Banks!

So now JP Morgan, Citi Group and Bank of America are about to regulate every aspect of Americas economy - down to the last hot-dog stand and shoe-string factory - via their proxy holding Company.....the Federal Reserve!!!

Our Government never had this totalitarian authority to seize and shutdown Private Enterprise.

Soon, the Bankers will. And Bernacke said if we audit the Fed, markets and the dollar will crash!! Bailout#1 ring a bell?!?!

What do you think will happen to America if Large Banks get to write the rules not just for themselves and their competition, BUT FOR EVERYONE?!???

CITI BANK DECIDES WHO LIVES.

CITI BANK DECIDES WHO DIES.


This is a new Form Of Government: Economic Tyranny OF, FOR AND BY THE BANKERS.

Banker Combines are dissolving Government and openly Declaring their Rule Over America.

This is Mussolini Fascism.

This is it. America doesn't have 3 years left. This is it.

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Have we all forgotten?

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Thomas Jefferson

"... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs...."
 
Quote from pspr:

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/06/25/obama-wants-to-let-those-pesky


Medical decisions should be made by patients, their families, and their doctors, not by government bureaucrats, but that's ObamaCare for you.


If the medicine is only being paid for by the patients, families, and doctors, then yes, that's correct. If it's getting taxpayer money, then the taxpayers ought to have the final say.

You don't get to tell a financial donor how to spend their own money.
 
Quote from pspr:

Maybe you want the government interjecting themselves into that decision. I do not.

The reason so much money is spent at the end is because the Docs are afraid of being sued if they don't do everything possible.

Get rid of Lawyers and costs are cut in half.

John
 
Quote from TraderZones:

sorry, but when people demand expensive care when they theyselves do not have to pay fir it, then I hvea no sympathy for you

I now my mother has been in a coma for 10 years and doctors give her no hope - I demand that the state/hospital/insert-other-entity-besides patient continue to keep her alive

Sorry, I don't agree. Medical care should be for reasonable expenses. I also do not favor the "gee, I know she is 4.5 months premature and only has a 1% of surviving, spend the million to keep her alive anyway!!!"

Or the drugs that costs $10,000s a year and are only marginally better than older cheap drugs

We are severely afflicted with damn the cost, I don't have to pay for it mentality.

Bringing up child, grandma, etc. etc. has nothing to do with it. 50 million people are uninsured and med care is prohibitively expensive in part, because WE don't have to shoulder the costs in those situations where there is little hope or benefit to expensive routines.

IMO, you hit the key point that seems to be lacking in any of the legislative plans; ie, the patient needs to have some skin in the game.

Seneca
 
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