We used to call them bribes...but now they call it lobbying

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Actually, the answer is simple:
Never vote for a Democrat.
Never vote for a Republican.
Either way, the government wins.
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...Every year since I have been 18 I have voted against the incumbent. And I will again....
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Ah, term limits.
Such sweet music.
Now if we could only get the death penalty for bribery...er...exsqueeze me; I mean "lobbying".
 
It was Jimmmy Hoffa who really got the ball rolling with PAC's. He got the great idea of using (taking) union dues and organizing this into pools of money to shell out to Politicians.It's a mess.
 
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thats fine but we dont live in a fairytale land. we live in reality. you are given 2 choices. if you are tired of the lobby industry which of those 2 choices will get you closer to your goal? a president like gingrich who got rich lobbying and a republican congress who is anti regulation and bought and paid for by lobbyists or the other choice?
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I'll take the president who got rich lobbying and congress that is anti regulation.

The "other choice" is bought and paid for by union bosses, radical environmentalists, various Occupy nutcases, etc. His policies, if allowed to go forward, will give us a third world electric power grid with utility rates several times what you pay now. Taxes will rise inexorably to pay for lavish compensation and pensions for an ever growing army of government workers and welfare parasites. He will cede much of our sovereignty to the UN or various euro-dominated groups like the WTO and International Criminal Court. Unions will have veto power over business decisions. Health care will resemble a visit to the DMV, with endless lines, callous bureaucrats and shoddy service.

Your choice is a guy who championed public financing of elections his entire political career until he saw he could raise a lot more money from union goons, Wall Street and various interest groups, so he dropped his promises like a bad habit and sold out to the highest bidders.
 
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Gingrich - Obama both career politicos = same, same.

Obama is bought and paid for by the healthcare industry we have his signature to prove it. If he were really for government provided healthcare he would have taken a total 180 in direction for his so called "obama care". Now we are forced to buy something from health insurance companies...far as I know that defines corporate fascism to a T. Obama is owned and if you deny it you`re wearing blinders.

The peoples petition and pressure will bring an end to the lobbying industry. You do remember that they work for us, right? We do not work for them.

Every year since I have been 18 I have voted against the incumbent. And I will again.

Toe that line "freethinker"...
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all that was done to get something by the republican blockade. if obama were presented with a bill tomorrow to form a public option that would hurt the healthcare industry and kill lobbying for it he would sign it. a republican wouldnt. that is the difference.
 
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I'll take the president who got rich lobbying and congress that is anti regulation.

The "other choice" is bought and paid for by union bosses, radical environmentalists, various Occupy nutcases, etc. His policies, if allowed to go forward, will give us a third world electric power grid with utility rates several times what you pay now. Taxes will rise inexorably to pay for lavish compensation and pensions for an ever growing army of government workers and welfare parasites. He will cede much of our sovereignty to the UN or various euro-dominated groups like the WTO and International Criminal Court. Unions will have veto power over business decisions. Health care will resemble a visit to the DMV, with endless lines, callous bureaucrats and shoddy service.

Your choice is a guy who championed public financing of elections his entire political career until he saw he could raise a lot more money from union goons, Wall Street and various interest groups, so he dropped his promises like a bad habit and sold out to the highest bidders.
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now thats interesting since we are almost through obamas first term and none of those things have happened and business itself is enjoying its best times ever in terms of profits.
do you reside in some kind of alter reality? the only thing obama has proposed is letting taxes for the rich rise to the point they were under the boom times of the clinton administration and in exchange he will sign off on 3 times as much in spending cuts in social programs.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

all that was done to get something by the republican blockade. if obama were presented with a bill tomorrow to form a public option that would hurt the healthcare industry and kill lobbying for it he would sign it. a republican wouldnt. that is the difference.
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So the chosen one chose corporate fascism, over true socialized medicine just to get "something done"? Has he ever heard of values and morals?

Open your eyes a bit wider.
 
I probably dont have to point this out, since you seem to know everything, but Obama has taken more money from wall street then all of the republican candidates combined.
Quote from Free Thinker:

thats fine but we dont live in a fairytale land. we live in reality. you are given 2 choices. if you are tired of the lobby industry which of those 2 choices will get you closer to your goal? a president like gingrich who got rich lobbying and a republican congress who is anti regulation and bought and paid for by lobbyists or the other choice?
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