We seek death like you seek life

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Actually I think it's tragic - Arabs slaughtering Arabs in Sabra and Shatillah (or non-arabs in Moscow, London, India...),
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Yes, that's one thing which I noticed doesn't get talked about too much on here. The different sects of Islam seem to be quite capable of killing each other. I think yesterday or the day before, a woman blew herself up in order to kill a bunch of other Muslims who had a slightly different interpretation of the religion than she did. 35 dead was the final count, I think. I'll try to get a link but it was reported on the major new services.

How come they do that??

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At 4:30pm news arrived at the Gaza Hospital that Israeli troops had invaded Akka Hospital [just outside the camp], nurses had been raped and killed, doctors and patients shot dead.

Extract from p55 & p79 of the book "From Beirut To Jerusalem"


The Massacre

The phalange militia (Who committed the massacre) were Israel's proxy in Lebanon, their members were recruited from the Maronite Christian community. They were payed for, trained and armed by Israel. They were effectively an extension of the IDF, and were usually sent in to do the dirty work.

After Sharon's army had taken West Beirut and sealed off all escapes routes from the Palestinian refugee camps, Sharon ordered the phalange in. The official order from Sharon read "for the operation in the camps the phalange should be sent in"*. Knowing that the camps were full of unarmed civilians - mainly women and children, only around 150 phalange were deployed. The testimonies of the survivors suggest that both Israeli soldiers and their mercenaries the Phalange entered the camps and participated in the massacre**

The Israelis supervised the operation from their forward command post, a six story building overlooking the camps. From there they gave logistic support and relayed orders to the soldiers on the ground. Concerned that reports of the on-going slaughter would leak out, the soldiers were ordered to continue the killing through out the night - to facilitate this the Israelis lit up the sky with flares all night long. The idea was to kill as many Palestinians as quickly as possible, before international pressure would put a stop to the operation. Over 3000 elderly men, women and children were murdered. Next the evidence had to be buried quickly - so the Israelis send in bulldozers. Houses were packed with bodies and demolished to form mass graves. One such mass grave contained a thousand bodies.

http://www.inminds.co.uk/from-beirut-to-jerusalem.html

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...117417&perpage=6&highlight=sabra&pagenumber=3
 
The Israeli journalists Zeev Schiff and Ehud Ya’ari describe how Sharon insisted on sending Phalangist militiamen into the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila (see "Israel’s Lebanon War"). To accomplish this, Sharon had held meetings on September 15th with Elie Hobeika, Fadie Frem and Zahi Bustani (leaders of the militiamen) as well as with Amin and Pierre Gemayel, the political leaders of the Phalangist party. The leaders of the Israeli army, Sharon included, were very well aware of the mood of the Phalangists, shortly after the murder of their leader. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the feelings of the Phalangists towards the Palestinians knew what would happen if they were let into the refugee camps.

Israeli army commanders Eitan, Drori and Yaron made comments on how obsessed the Phalangists were with revenge, talking about a ‘sea of blood’ and ‘kasach’ (Arabic for ‘slashing’ or ‘cutting’). As they made these observations Ariel Sharon gave the green light for the Phalangists to enter Sabra and Shatila. They did so as dusk fell on the 16th of September.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/drbenalofs1.html
 
Just before we reached the exit of the camp I saw an image that will forever be in my mind: a large mound of red earth with arms and legs sticking out. Alongside the mound stood an army bulldozer with Hebrew markings. Just outside the camp we were ordered to take off our hospital clothing and we were lined up against a wall. It was at that moment that an Israeli army officer drove up in an army vehicle. He saved our lives, ordering the militiamen to hand us over to the Israelis. Alongside the southern and western borders of the camps we saw Israeli tanks and halftracks.

After interrogation in their military headquarters the Phalangists took us to the Israeli forward command post just 75 meters (250 feet) away. It was a 4 or 5 story building at the edge of Shatila. (Some weeks later I was on the top floor. It offered excellent views of the destruction in Shatila). The Israeli soldiers were clearly uncomfortable, being confronted with more than 20 Europeans and Americans. They asked us what we wanted. We told them we wanted to go back to Gaza hospital. Impossible, we were told, too dangerous. Finally, two of us were permitted to go back to the hospital with a laisser-passer in Hebrew and Arabic.

There certainly was coordination between the Israelis and the militiamen. The Israelis were largely in control. It was impossible for them to see exactly what was happening in the narrow alleyways of Sabra and Shatila. But soon after the massacre started, reports came in from individual Israeli soldiers about killings. Not once did the Israeli military command try to respond by putting an end to the slaughter. Groups of civilians, coming out of the camps with white flags, were being sent back.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/drbenalofs1.html
 
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The phalange militia (Who committed the massacre) were Israel's proxy in Lebanon
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The Lebanese Kataeb Party better known in English as the Phalange, is a Lebanese political party. Although officially secular it is mainly supported by Maronite Christians. The party played a major role in the Lebanese war. In decline in the late 1980s and 1990s, the party slowly re-emerged since the early 2000s. It is now part of the parliamentary majority, the March 14 Alliance, opposed to the alliance led by Hezbollah and the Free Patriotic Movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kataeb_Party

Lebanese Christian Phalangist militiamen were permitted to enter two Palestinian refugee camps, in an area under Israeli army control, and the militia massacred an estimated several hundred to several thousand civilians.

The Lebanese Forces group stood under the direct command of Elie Hobeika, who later became a long-serving Lebanese Member of Parliament and, in the 1990s, a cabinet minister. The number of victims of the massacre varies according to source: the lowest confirmed estimate is 700; the highest is placed at 3,500 (see below).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

Arabs massacring Arabs in Sabra and Shatillh. What a tragedy. :( :mad:
 
Even on Saturday morning, September 18th, when we were taken out of the camps, we saw fresh groups of Phalangist militiamen entering the camps under Israeli supervision. About 20 minutes after we had passed the large group of women, children and elderly in the main road of Sabra, we heard an orgy of machinegun fire. Swee, an orthopedic doctor, told me that a Palestinian mother had tried to give her baby to Swee, as if she knew what was going to happen. The baby was pulled out of Swee’s hand and given back to her mother. On Sunday September 19th I went back to Sabra and Shatila together with two Danish and a Dutch journalist. The Lebanese army had surrounded the camp and tried to keep journalists out. We found a way in. All of us were deeply shocked by the extent of the destruction and the savagery of the murders. The Israelis had told the militiamen to leave the camps some time during Saturday. The latter had managed to cause an awful lot more of destruction and slaughter after we had been taken out of the camps on Saturday morning. The Lebanese Civil Defense had begun with the recovery of those bodies that had not been buried by the bulldozers. We will never know how many people were exactly butchered during those terrible days of September 16th, 17th and 18th in 1982. 1500 perhaps? 2000? Or even more?

http://www.mediamonitors.net/drbenalofs1.html
 
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Anyway wael, did you watch the video? What's your opinion on the culture of death and the use of women and children as human shields in your tribe?


The palestinian people has developed its methods of death and death-seeking

For the Palestinian people death has become an industry

at which women excel and so do all the people living on this land.

The elderly excel at this and so do the mujahideen and the children

This is why we have formed human shields of the women, the children

We desire death like you desire life

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...layer&cid=1194419829128&videoId=1205420714950
 
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The Lebanese Kataeb Party better known in English as the Phalange, is a Lebanese political party. Although officially secular it is mainly supported by Maronite Christians. The party played a major role in the Lebanese war. In decline in the late 1980s and 1990s, the party slowly re-emerged since the early 2000s. It is now part of the parliamentary majority, the March 14 Alliance, opposed to the alliance led by Hezbollah and the Free Patriotic Movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kataeb_Party

Lebanese Christian Phalangist militiamen were permitted to enter two Palestinian refugee camps, in an area under Israeli army control, and the militia massacred an estimated several hundred to several thousand civilians.

The Lebanese Forces group stood under the direct command of Elie Hobeika, who later became a long-serving Lebanese Member of Parliament and, in the 1990s, a cabinet minister. The number of victims of the massacre varies according to source: the lowest confirmed estimate is 700; the highest is placed at 3,500 (see below).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

Arabs massacring Arabs in Sabra and Shatillh. What a tragedy. :( :mad:
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Not only that! At night, to help them conduct their rape and hacking proberly, the israeli forces provided better visability by shooting flares in the air.

Prior to that, the israeli army also provided transportation for these killers in their own Military jets to Beirut airport.
 
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you are a racist.
Arabs are not a race.
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race (countable and uncountable; plural races)

1. A large group of people distinguished from others on the basis of a common heritage.

The Anglo-Saxon race

2. A large group of people distinguished from others on the basis of common, genetically linked, physical characteristics, such as skin color or hair type.

Race was a significant issue during apartheid in South Africa.

3. (controversial usage) One of the categories from the many subcategorizations of the human species. See Wikipedia's article on historical definitions of race.

The Native Americans colonized the New World in several waves from Asia, and thus they are part of the same Mongoloid race.

4. (biology) A population geographically separated from others of its species that develops significantly different characteristics; informal for subspecies.
5. A breed or strain of domesticated animal.
6. (figuratively) A category or species of something that has emerged or evolved from an older one (with an implied parallel to animal breeding or evolutionary science).
 
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