We can now see clearly to the outcome of Trump's Tariffs.
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This is exactly correct in that consumer prices will go up but I agree with Trump on this one. It’s time to eat our peas and rebuild our manufacturing that was decimated by NAFTA. And don’t get offended, but we have been getting railroaded in NAFTA and your country is richer just for having free trade with the US, and it is not reciprocal.
Tariffs in this circumstance are not meant to be punitive but leveling. A lot of the raw material for the steel that comes in from Canada isn’t Canadian, it’s Chinese and that should be a violation of NAFTA. NAFTA was never meant to be a sneak through way for Asian countries to import cheap goods into America. You guys are basically wholesalers for Asian suppliers.
I feel like 99 percent of the people commenting on TV or in the press are a bunch of economic morons not qualified to speak on this subject because they don't understand open markets and floating currencies. (its important that currencies float and are not pegged)
For the purpose of our analysis...
Lets look a a dynamic model with floating rates.
Lets also state the Federal Reserve is not printing dollars and thereby diluting its strength.
Do you all realize that by making things here that those around the world desire... would increase demand for the dollar. Thereby making foreign goods cheaper for Americans and American industry. So its possible we could keep jobs and get cheaper foreign goods?
You all might not be old enough. But European and Asian goods once seemed super cheap to americans. Instead of raw materials going to China and then sent around the world.... They were sent here and we sold them around the world. Japan competed on price and their things were once considered poorly made. Made in Japan was an insult. We had a very strong dollar and things were cheap for us.
For instance...
In 1984 or 1985 I went to England on Laker airways. I crossed the channel by a fast boat. I skied in Chaminoix for 5 or 6 days. I went to paris, ate well and I purchased the finest leather jacket I had ever owned for 740 dollars in 1985. That is 740 dollars for the everything the whole trip... plane, hotels food, lift tickets etc.
That was in part because the dollar was really strong and our economy was booming. I had also been invited to Vail by a roommate. The airfare would have been 400 dollars and lift tickets would have been much more expensive than the 11 dollars a day they were in Chaminoix. I calculated the trip to Vail would have been twice as much even though I had a place to stay whereas 5 of us stayed in Chamoix in a suite for 35 dollars a night.
For the purpose of our analysis...
Lets look a a dynamic model with floating rates.
Lets also state the Federal Reserve is not printing dollars and thereby diluting its strength.
Do you all realize that by making things here that those around the world desire... would increase demand for the dollar. Thereby making foreign goods cheaper for Americans and American industry. So its possible we could keep jobs and get cheaper foreign goods?
You all might not be old enough. But European and Asian goods once seemed super cheap to americans. Instead of raw materials going to China and then sent around the world.... They were sent here and we sold them around the world. Japan competed on price and their things were once considered poorly made. Made in Japan was an insult. We had a very strong dollar and things were cheap for us.
For instance...
In 1984 or 1985 I went to England on Laker airways. I crossed the channel by a fast boat. I skied in Chaminoix for 5 or 6 days. I went to paris, ate well and I purchased the finest leather jacket I had ever owned for 740 dollars in 1985. That is 740 dollars for the everything the whole trip... plane, hotels food, lift tickets etc.
That was in part because the dollar was really strong and our economy was booming. I had also been invited to Vail by a roommate. The airfare would have been 400 dollars and lift tickets would have been much more expensive than the 11 dollars a day they were in Chaminoix. I calculated the trip to Vail would have been twice as much even though I had a place to stay whereas 5 of us stayed in Chamoix in a suite for 35 dollars a night.
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Ha ha ha. "country-specific exemptions were unlikely." There is nothing absolutely nothing that Trump says that can be trusted.
Well apparently it is not an impossibility for an Aston Martin Dealership to be established there. And in the past, neither was it impossible for GM to try and sell cars there. There were Buicks in Tokyo. Just very few buyers. I am talking about many years ago now, when GM was trying to get Tariffs on Japanese cars imported into the U.S. because they claimed the market was "unfare". For a number of years the GM management insisted "Americans want big cars," and every year WV sales increased. When corporations fail, there is a reason. And it is seldom because the market is "unfair."
Michael Moore of all people explains Trump and the reason for his tariffs. Could be a Trump campaign video.
Yup. That was a powerful moment when the fact that Michael Moore grew up in Michigan caused him to break out of the trance state and see what was coming. If he had grown up in California he never would have seen it. As he lefty as he is, he didn't like them being labeled as "deplorables." There was no 20/20 hindsight there either. He flat out called it before the election but his comrades would not hear it.
Just an FYI
You are wrong, we run a trade deficit with the US and without NAFTA on the Canadian part your economy wouldn't be as strong. The more you talk about getting railroaded or taken advantage of by Canada ( a ridiculous claim ), the more you encourage Canada to just decide you guys are nuts let's find other partners. Trade deals exist because BOTH parties benefit from them. This fundamental aspect seems to be lost on many Americans. So we get a clown like Trump supporting a monopoly like Boeing with 300% tariffs on a company like Bombardier that is barely solvent in a market they don't even make planes for. That's not the market driven economy that helped build both our economies.
Many of your business and regional political leaders know this already. They know losing a strong trading relationship is bad for their state, city, or company. It doesn't impact me personally at all, but the lack of common sense and awareness on the topic bothers me.
Earlier you mentioned that Canada would ship the oil elsewhere -- this is not so.
Until Canada builds either an eastern pipeline or western pipeline to ship the oil to one coast or the other (plus add shipping facilities for oil) then your only large scale customer for oil is the U.S. -- especially in view that all the refining capacity for Canadian oil is down in the gulf states.
So either Canada builds the pipelines (after paying all the taxes that Provinces and First Nation tribes are demanding for each barrel of oil crossing their land it would be over $100 per barrel currently) -- or Canada keeps shipping to the U.S.
BTW - ask the people of Lac-Mégantic how shipping oil by rail worked out for them.