We are within 300-400 points of a floor

Quote from Businessman:

You meant the DOW, i thought you were talking about the S&P.

Do you see 500 on S & P? It could happen for sure. But if it does it will not be straight to that level IMHO.
 
I like the call on fastmoney about the fed pushing through an absurdly large buy order of index futures.
Apparently, the guys in the S &P pits saw this occur the day after the 87 crash.
The morning after that bloodletting was shaping up the same way and then BAM!
Insane buy order gets executed to the suprise of everyone, and off the market went, short covering, and bidding through the roof.
It'll probably happen again....soon.
That could put in a nice, textbook V bottom, and put us in a nice support level.
 
Quote from circadian:

I like the call on fastmoney about the fed pushing through an absurdly large buy order of index futures.
Apparently, the guys in the S &P pits saw this occur the day after the 87 crash.
The morning after that bloodletting was shaping up the same way and then BAM!
Insane buy order gets executed to the suprise of everyone, and off the market went, short covering, and bidding through the roof.
It'll probably happen again....soon.
That could put in a nice, textbook V bottom, and put us in a nice support level.

we are nearing LT "support" on the DOW from a TA point of view!
 
Quote from iceman1:

we are nearing LT "support" on the DOW from a TA point of view!



iceman

TA and floors mean squat in this kind of market.

There is still nothing but a black void in interbank lending, the huge deleveraging, etc. etc.

No one is any closer to knowing whether this is Depression 2. The Dow could hit 3000. It is already down 40%, and has shown NO sign of stopping. 687 down today? does that look like slowing?

Valuations, P/E, and all the other CNBC noise has zero use right now. Oil went from $147 to $85 in HOW long? It could be $50 or lower, if we are facing 2-4 years of severe recession or worse.

Houses would have to fall another 20-30% from here JUST to get them back on the normal longterm growth patter before the last 7 insane years of growth. Think Las Vegas, all over the country.

The number of houses underwater could double or triple... Where will the economy be then?

The world governments are firing silver bullets, when we need diamond encrusted platinum bullets.
 
Quote from TraderZones:



iceman

TA and floors mean squat in this kind of market.


Well let's not get emotional and see what happens. I have said 7900- 8200 will be a floor. Let's watch and see. Like you said emotions and momentum could take it lower. But this is LT support.

When there is a panic it always seems like it will continue. Look at oil. People swore on their mother's graves that it would NEVER go lower for years. Look what happened. This is no different although I agree things look bleak, but that is not why there is sellling IMHO. It is panic and fear.

regards
 
Quote from iceman1:

the floor WILL be 7900-8250! Take it to the bank...


of course I 'hope' today was the floor for the sake of the economy.... but given how momentum works it appears we will continue lower from today !

Hmmmm... let's see what happens. Monday will be a floor in this crater!
 
Quote from iceman1:

This is my first and only call on a "floor" ! LOL

I nailed oil after not trading for 18 months. I got friends together and we entered puts on indexes and stocks when oil ran into the 135-145 area. I told them we would see 80s again but of course most thought I was crazy. I based my oil call on an experience with a good friend who was a bond trader and way back when he said oil would not likely go much higher than 12-15. He just couldn't see a scenario that would put it higher in the next decade. This was exactly the thoughts and comments we heard when oil was in the mid-120-140s and everyone assumed it would continue higher even in the face of declining demand, a potential recession and an election. No one could see how it could ever fall. Most didn't even consider oil to be a 'bubble'. I did. I got lucky.

The one thing I learned (the hard way) over the past 10-12 years is that all good things come to he or she who waits. If you are patient enough you will always have a great opportunity to make a huge sum of money when we get HUGE and fast moves like we have seen over and over again in the markets. But most need to score every day, every week, every month. That was my mistake as well.

My oil play taught me how to score big in the market, and ironically exert less energy and encounter less stress. First, learn all you can about making money in the financial markets; then get a day job. Then sit back and wait for the next golden 'back-up-the-truck-easy money opportunity. Since they don't come often most don't have the discipline or patience to wait for them, and don't know what to do when they come since they keep looking for the contrary move much like you note by people looking for a bottom all week (and last week) rather than trading the strong downward trend.

Anyone who traded short the past 3 weeks via options or futures (much less the past 9 months) made more than probably 90% of traders or investors made all year long playing games just for the action.

sold most OIH puts today !

BAM!!!!!!!!!


looking at OIH calls folks - come on in!

(back to my day job for now)
 
7900-8250 WILL BE the st floor! It may be re-tested.

But remember when things are terrible any hint of good news is welcomed and counter-traded while any bad news is often discounted unless totally not expected!
 
10-09-08 06:47 PM

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Quote from NY_HOOD:

and what floor would that be ?
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the floor WILL be 7900-8250! Take it to the bank...
 
Quote from iceman1:

10-09-08 06:47 PM

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Quote from NY_HOOD:

and what floor would that be ?
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the floor WILL be 7900-8250! Take it to the bank...


Did anyone go to the bank ?!
 
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