We Are No Longer a Nation of Laws

[OPTIONAL777]

Why is it really any different if a government panel makes decisions on health care of the elderly, or if a private insurance company does so based on profitability?

Is a death sentence from an insurance company somehow morally superior to the same by a group of bureaucrats?

 

[jem]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Why is it really any different if a government panel makes decisions on health care of the elderly, or if a private insurance company does so based on profitability?

Is a death sentence from an insurance company somehow morally superior to the same by a group of bureaucrats?

there is no difference to a communist.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

So to a non communist, what is the difference?

Quote from jem:

there is no difference to a communist.

 

[Illum]

Grandma won't be getting a titanium hip, end of story. This has to happen, whatever your party, we can't afford it. Also a doctor coming in for 5 mins asking "how are you doing" leaving and charging 500.... also, not gonna happen anymore. These panels aren't going to kill you, but if you want a gold plated knee and your 97 you gotta pay cash. The entitlements are breaking us.

Whatever you think of President Obama, when he says if we don't fix this mess we are in for a world of hurt, believe it.

Btw, I'm against all of this, and think medicare and medicaid is the reason health care costs are rocketing. It free cheese abused, and those not on the dole are the ones paying though the nose. So I'd like the whole thing scrapped, and doctors would have to get real. But this part of bill, I'm fine with, the rest of it.... not really.

 

[Barth Vader]

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Is a death sentence from an insurance company somehow morally superior to the same by a group of bureaucrats?

Yes.....absolutely.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Go ahead, make an argument for the moral superiority of an insurance company's death panel...

Quote from Barth Vader:

Yes.....absolutely.

 

[loik]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Why is it really any different if a government panel makes decisions on health care of the elderly, or if a private insurance company does so based on profitability?

Is a death sentence from an insurance company somehow morally superior to the same by a group of bureaucrats?

Yes, because government is based on coercion!

 

[OPTIONAL777]

So you are coerced to vote for your government?

Quote from loik:

Yes, because government is based on coercion!

 

[Barth Vader]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Go ahead, make an argument for the moral superiority of an insurance company's death panel...

I find it fitting that Scripture, when speaking of the kingdoms / governments of men, uses beasts as allegory.

Indeed, government is like a beast. It is at its best when it is like a beast of burden, serving its master, the citizen. But when the beast breaks its chains of servitude, it becomes like a wild and ravenous animal, turning on its master.

Our government should always be chained to the stakes of the Constitution.

Medical insurance should be treated for what it is, a contract. A mutual contract between two parties, entered into by free choice. Government should be, via the courts, the arbiter of any contractual dispute between the parties. If the beast breaks its chains and now compells its former master by coersion of force and penalty, to enter into a contract, who shall be the arbiter ?

Shall the coercing force be the arbiter ? No thanks, keep the "change".

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Our contract as voters is with the government.

You don't like what the government does? Then change it.

You think something the government does is unconstitutional? Sue them.

You don't like the way the majority votes for something you don't like?

Leave America...

p.s. You still haven't shown how insurance companies, driven by greed are morally superior to government.

Unless you can find some quote from your Bible that says greed is good and leads to the kingdom of heaven.

Quote from Barth Vader:

I find it fitting that Scripture, when speaking of the kingdoms / governments of men, uses beasts as allegory.

Indeed, government is like a beast. It is at its best when it is like a beast of burden, serving its master, the citizen. But when the beast breaks its chains of servitude, it becomes like a wild and ravenous animal, turning on its master.

Our government should always be chained to the stakes of the Constitution.

Medical insurance should be treated for what it is, a contract. A mutual contract between two parties, entered into by free choice. Government should be, via the courts, the arbiter of any contractual dispute between the parties. If the beast breaks its chains and now compells its former master by coersion of force and penalty, to enter into a contract, who shall be the arbiter ?

Shall the coercing force be the arbiter ? No thanks, keep the "change".