Was the recent bear market trivial?

Like the restart game :p ?

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13378

Quote from TGregg:
Folks who had "played" for about six months were sure were getting rich according to their "statements" until a bunch of them started asking for withdrawls, then the game owners declared a "reset" that essentially wiped out everyone's profits.

There were apparently a few "management" types frequenting a chatroom on the "company" website who declared at this time that "it was a GREAT" time to "invest" (right after the "recalc"). Two weeks later, after a fresh batch of "suckers" jumped in with tons of new money, the game's medium of exchange, "F" dollars, were re-valued from one "F" dollar per US Dollar to 10,000 "F" dollars per US dollar ... effectively bankrupting ALL of the players. No mention of this on their website of course .... just charts indicating consistantly rising stock prices in their virtual shares.
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Quote from TheCaracal:

Don't know much about wave cycles...but I concur totally....this period has been mirror of May 1970-Nov 1972 ; Nifty 50 era...and will be held up at any cost thru 11/04; then those first boomers, gulp turn 60 in 2005, and they are gonna want their money back, not to mention we will start paying for this credit binge.

Best,
David
 
I agree completely. I find these 20% definitions (of both bull and bear) hilarious ... if accepted as good benchmarks then a bull markets began in Sept 2001. And then there's all the extra bull markets in the Nasdaq, beginning in May 2000, etc.

Quote from CharlesTrader:

What exactly is a bull and bear market anyway?

Said Hirsch: "That's part of the elusive nature of calling the bear and bull market. Everyone has different definitions of it."

Quote from: http://www.lockeygroup.com/news-6_1_03.php

Charles
 
Quote from TheCaracal:

Don't know much about wave cycles...but I concur totally....this period has been mirror of May 1970-Nov 1972 ; Nifty 50 era...and will be held up at any cost thru 11/04; then those first boomers, gulp turn 60 in 2005, and they are gonna want their money back, not to mention we will start paying for this credit binge.

Best,
David

The biggest bolus of boomers in the US were born 1948 to 1953 according to social security stats. I don't think they will retire at 60 either, many people had their retirement set back because of the recent downturn over the last couple of years. I'd say that many will retire at 67 or even 70. That would put the middle of the retirement of those people at 2018 or so. Now, how the stocks are distributed among them I don't know. The richer ones may have a disproportionate share and also retire earlier but they aren't the ones that have to sell, they can make if off of dividends. Perhaps first the richest ones will retire and perhaps they will stop buying but they won't sell much either. That may not have much effect. When the middle class guys retire they will have slowed down their buying perhaps 5 years before and they will be selling perhaps, to support themselves in retirement. I guess maybe buying will slow starting about 2012 and selling will commence about 2018. Until then I'm hoping to cash in bigtime.

Max
 
After today's action I don't think we ever had a bear market, just a blase, slowmotion mini-correction...because from what I know about bear markets it takes quite some time (yrs) to renew an appetite for playing again.

And clearly that's not the case anymore.

Took 3 years for stocks to go down, but they get up real fast.

Looks like the tone has been set for 2004!

Best,
David
 
Quote from TheCaracal:

After today's action I don't think we ever had a bear market, just a blase, slowmotion mini-correction...because from what I know about bear markets it takes quite some time (yrs) to renew an appetite for playing again.

And clearly that's not the case anymore.

Took 3 years for stocks to go down, but they get up real fast.

Looks like the tone has been set for 2004!

Best,
David

Remember what happened to bonds in June/July of 2003.

I hate to make market calls - but this is very likely to have an UGLY ending.
 
I don't think the prior post was intended to minimize the possibility of a future decline, but rather to suggest that the bear market that everyone thought was so bad really wasn't that significant because smallcaps, midcaps, equal-weight S&P 500 are now at all-time highs and there never really was prolonged excessive bearishness which is often typical of major bear markets.




Quote from CPTrader:

Remember what happened to bonds in June/July of 2003.

I hate to make market calls - but this is very likely to have an UGLY ending.
 
Quote from CPTrader:

Remember what happened to bonds in June/July of 2003.

I hate to make market calls - but this is very likely to have an UGLY ending.
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Oh I know that , but this is hard to guage......what really disturbs me though is the price action it's not fluid , it feels jammed, no corrections..none,


Things that don't bend...break....

Best,
David
 
Quote from TheCaracal:

Quote from CPTrader:

Remember what happened to bonds in June/July of 2003.

I hate to make market calls - but this is very likely to have an UGLY ending.
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Oh I know that , but this is hard to guage......what really disturbs me though is the price action it's not fluid , it feels jammed, no corrections..none,


Things that don't bend...break....

Best,
David

I'll remember this: "Things that don't bend...break...."

Very wise.

If I recall correctly the major 1997 - 200 bull market had several corrections, correct?

This has been a straight line more or less, correct?
 
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