Warren Buffett Says America Is "So Rich" It Can Afford Single Payer

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Or dynamically over time: https://ourworldindata.org/the-link-between-life-expectancy-and-health-spending-us-focus

Yet another reason I'm glad I don't live in the US... the NHS is creaking slightly at the seams but at least I don't have to worry about what would happen if I lost my job / health insurance (because I don't have any... or need any...).

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Lets compare healthcare to police or firefighters. Imagine if you had to first pay up front before a cop ran after a bad guy for you, or pay the firefighters before they even put on their suits and started the truck even though your house was already on fire. This would seem crazy!

Yet, its like this with healthcare in the US. All this bickering back and forth that the politicians are doing is missing the first question, does everyone matter? Its obvious not everyone matters, but they want to make it sound like they do. When you call the cops or the firefighters, they usually don't know who they are going to help. The guy shot on the corner in New York could be a homeless man or some rich broker. (of course in poor cities, its a bit different cause clearly everyone is poor) But nevertheless, for the most part, anyone in need of police or firefighting gets it because its obviously a general good for society as a whole to catch bad guys and put out fires.

So I think before any major changes to healthcare happen, they need to just put it on the table that some people don't matter and hence aren't going to be included in how healthcare gets fixed. (In some ways, I almost think it costs more money to exclude people than to offer everyone basic services.)

If the government started with the mandate that everyone will get healthcare, no matter what, industry would find a way to make it work. It would either involve higher taxes, less corruption, smaller wages for overpriced doctors, more pushback on expensive meds or supplies, etc. But you can damn well bet that if you start with a clean slate and state the fundamental factors, that each person will have access to basic healthcare, things would be different. I really do believe it would be cheaper to offer everyone free healthcare and get on with it, than spending so much time and effort trying to figure out who to leave out and how to do it.

Perhaps it's never too late to start right now, since that should have been implemented long long time ago. Needs a systemic long-term vision.
 
Amazing to watch from afar how the US manage to tie itself in knots over healthcare.

Currently you have some of the highest healthcare costs and yet lowest life expectancy of developed nations. A unique hatred of governments seems to prevent what other developed nations have and yet ironically you don't even have free markets due to corrupt paid for politicians (big pharmacy etc).
 
Amazing to watch from afar how the US manage to tie itself in knots over healthcare.

Currently you have some of the highest healthcare costs and yet lowest life expectancy of developed nations. A unique hatred of governments seems to prevent what other developed nations have and yet ironically you don't even have free markets due to corrupt paid for politicians (big pharmacy etc).
Amazing you can't understand why we don't want to live like you.
 
Lol - you said that without even knowing how I live.
And who do you mean by 'we' just yourself or all Americans?
I like to think that he meant we as in "the people who have personal responsability and don't like the idea of living at the expense of anybody else, just as we don't like that others live at our expense either".:D
 
I like to think that he meant we as in "the people who have personal responsability and don't like the idea of living at the expense of anybody else, just as we don't like that others live at our expense either".:D
The US doesn't have a monopoly on personal responsibility..... and with regards healthcare just look at how less fat, sorry obese, other countries are.
 
The US doesn't have a monopoly on personal responsibility..... and with regards healthcare just look at how less fat, sorry obese, other countries are.
You're right. That's why I didn't say "the US.. or the americans"... As I said in a previous post, I'm not even american. I'm brazilian. What I meant by "we" was us, individuals, regardless of nationality, that have personal responsability. These individuals are still more numerous in the US than any other country, but unfortnately, there are few of them, compared to decades ago. The rest of the world has an inverted "balance" in this. I have lived in Austria and Italy and they are a great example of how Europe is. Austrians, just as the rest of Europe, look up to Sweden and in none of these countries, personal responsability is something highly regarded.
 
Amazing to watch from afar how the US manage to tie itself in knots over healthcare.

Currently you have some of the highest healthcare costs and yet lowest life expectancy of developed nations. A unique hatred of governments seems to prevent what other developed nations have and yet ironically you don't even have free markets due to corrupt paid for politicians (big pharmacy etc).

It's not so much a hatred of government -- we have some of the most idiotic governmental structures and strictures as you can imagine! (Think back to tales of medieval Europe and ring-kissing and such -- it's *that* bad in places.) But it is more a profound lack of civility amongst -- get this[!] -- our civic leaders! Visible right here on ET, and right here in this thread -- dyspeptic disphoriacs (or is that, "disphoric dyspeptics"?? I don't know.) of either party *attack* "The Other Side" as unpatriotic ne'er-do-wells whose political *rantings* will bring down Civilization As We Know It. How did Our Current Preside -ent get elected? Ruppurt Murdrock and his ilk, fanning ignorance while the FCC (which abandoned any Public Good goals many years ago) looked away.

I think, for every 10 years, we should declare ANY political party to be illegal and a capital crime, for the ensuing 10 years. Just flush it all out, every other decade.

Thems my thoughts.
I need a beer.
10:30 on a Wednesday morning.
 
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.

JOHN ADAMS, letter to Jonathan Jackson, October 2, 1789
 
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