Warning: Online Trading Academy (tradingacademy.com)

Quote from AM Bankus:

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You sure about that?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :confused:
Really I’m sure. You certainly don’t come across as a pro trader.

My mistake for making assumptions.

I assumed you were a struggling trader who went looking for some secret weapon that would put a stop to the losses and take you to the next level. Searching for that elusive “Edge” that would allow you to reach all your goals. Someone trying to buy his way to success.

I assumed you were someone obsessed with getting even with OTA for taking advantage of your naivety. Warning others is a noble objective and I applaud you for your effort.

I assumed you were convinced that the path to successful trading was through higher education. That there is a secret formula that if this and that and this all happen then the result will always be the same. The market is random. It’s not like engineering, medicine or accounting. It’s a game of probabilities.

Again my apologies for making assumptions. You should have told us 4 months ago that you were a Pro Trader.
 
Quote from deaddog:

Really I’m sure. You certainly don’t come across as a pro trader.

My mistake for making assumptions.

I assumed you were a struggling trader who went looking for some secret weapon that would put a stop to the losses and take you to the next level. Searching for that elusive “Edge” that would allow you to reach all your goals. Someone trying to buy his way to success.

I assumed you were someone obsessed with getting even with OTA for taking advantage of your naivety. Warning others is a noble objective and I applaud you for your effort.

I assumed you were convinced that the path to successful trading was through higher education. That there is a secret formula that if this and that and this all happen then the result will always be the same. The market is random. It’s not like engineering, medicine or accounting. It’s a game of probabilities.

Again my apologies for making assumptions. You should have told us 4 months ago that you were a Pro Trader.

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So sorry that you made those false assumptions. I think that you are confusing me with YOU!

So far no more postcards or mailings from companies like OTA buying my name from IBD

So far no more tv ads on CNBC or our local channels.

Many empty seats at OTA classes.

So far, being noble has paid off admirably.

I do believe in higher education, the key is education, not hype or b.s. ala OTA.

Fool me me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you.

It appears as though my message is getting through. Thank you for the compliments! And I am NOT going away.
 
keep fighting the good fight.

Too many people have basically burned their money with this group.

IF we save one person, this thread has done it's job.
 
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Fool me me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you.

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Hey you don't know how close you are with this one. I understand that OTA's top people are very Pro Republican and thought Bush was one of the greatest Presidents ever! Need I say more?????
 
Quote from Scamsighting:

Online Trading Academy is a Sales and Marketing company, that tries to "close" you during their "Power Trading Workshops". Each salesperson, or as they would like you to think of them, an "Education Counselor", will meet with their prospects, one on one. If you meet with the Education Counselor during lunch, then you are their "best prospect", or so they think. So don't sit down during lunch with an Education Counselor.

Then after lunch, they will start "pulling" prospects to sit one on one with their Education Counselor. It is here where they are closing, and if you do not value your time or money, it may be worth taking the class. They tell you that once you enroll, you can re-take the class as many times as you want. This is completely false, as you are put on a waiting list, and each location chooses who will retake the class bases on the "students" potential up-sell.

The first class is $5,990, but then they try to upsell you with their "mentoring" class that is a webinar, three to four times a week, for life. What they don't tell you is that the "XLT" repeats itself every 12 weeks. And if you do ask them if it repeats itself every 12 weeks, they spin it by saying "yes, that's true, but it is always different because the market is always different".

After they try to sell you into an XLT, they will try to enroll you in another class, such as options, futures, forex, etc. Which is then followed by another XLT.

All in all, their goal is to have you enroll the day you first attend the Power Trader Workshop, with the goal of having you spend $25,000 over the next two years. If you are one inclined to believe all this, at the very least, be smart and say "I never make a decision to purchase anything that cost over $500 the same day" Best bet is to say my wife (or husband) have agreed that for every $1,000 we spend, we wait one day before the purchase. So if the class cost $6,000, tell them you will call them back in six days.

If in six days you want to purchase the class, then you should. But never buy on emotions, they even teach that in their classes, no? Don't buy stock on emotions!!!
Then why would you but their class on emotions?

So when your in with the salesperson, Education Counselor, ask them "does a successful trader trade on emotions?" They will say "NO". Ask why not? Let them explain. Then say why are you asking me to purchase today, when you know its an emotional purchase?

Their traders are nice people, very entertaining in the class, basic information taught in the class (considering they are teaching at a sixth grade level), and during the seven day class, the instructors are speaking with each and every Education Counselor about each student, so the Education Counselor can then use that information to "up-sell" you, or as they would say, further your education.

Fact is, a large majority of the "Traders" teaching the class are former Students of Online Trading Academy! Again, very nice people, who would like to make you feel good and important. But no where along the process will they ever say they will make you money, or even that majority of their students make money. They can't!!! The SEC would shut down this marketing company in a second.

They have extremely sharp people in corporate running their marketing programs, and results are fantastic!!! They average ten people in a Power Trader Workshop, in 30 national locations, so that's 150 people a day! Do the math, its a marketing machine, and they should get an award for their education. The award should be for "The Best Marketing and Sales" for an Educational Company.

Best bet is to join a Webinar based trading class that charges you less then $150 a month. Within two years, you will become a very good trader, total cost of $3,600. And the best Webinar's will have earned their money by having hundreds of people in the webinar, and keeping their subscribers by delivering good information each and every day.
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My experience with OTA was quite different

Scamsighting wrote:

Fact is, a large majority of the "Traders" teaching the class are former Students of Online Trading Academy! Again, very nice people, who would like to make you feel good and important. But no where along the process will they ever say they will make you money, or even that majority of their students make money. They can't!!! The SEC would shut down this marketing company in a second.


The truth is....

Fact is that all OTA employees are required to take the classes and get to take them for free. Oh yes, they make it sound like they are former paying students who were mesmerized by OTA and then came over to work. This is total crap.

The real truth is that most of the employees have been employees of other failed investment/trading companies that have fallen like Better Trades, Optionetics, Wade Cook, Wize Trade and more and now are with OTA. They are get rich quick junkies who jump from company to company, sort of like prostitutes pimping the unwary public and people naive enough to fall for their story and looking for an easy way to riches.

Very few really know how to trade or do so successfully. They make their money selling trading information and classes. If you doubt that ask them to show you their w-4 and investment forms when they file taxes each year and see where their real money is made. Case closed.

Best advice is to invest in some good books, attend some of the other programs available (IBD has great classes and I am not promoting them, only a satisfied client) Charles Schwab offers free classes that offer better information than what I saw at OTA.

Robert Kiyosaki offers more advice in his FREE intro classes than what you will get from OTA's Power Trading Workshops and the speakers are much better. The entire event is more professional.

As for the guy picking his nose, he does that to everybody that asks too many questions and did it to me too. As I walked out and turned around I saw him licking his lips and he had a stupid smirk on his lips. Hope he enjoyed it.

The so called Education Counselors all have bad breath. Probably from blabbing so much. Call it sales breath. But yuck! It stinks and is a real turnoff.

The workshops are not packed and usually only attract about 1/4 capacity (about 5 people) I hear that they have had some with only one person. They have also reduced the number of Power Trading Workshops recently.

I hardly see this as a great business model. In Orlando, the office has changed owenership about a half dozen times at least and I hear the same thing is happening around the country. Employee turnover is very high. Morale is very low.

Customers are vastly dissappointed in the service they recieve. All the special FREE events are just sugar coated sales pitches and they are poorly organized. In most cases they will tell you a few hours or a day at the most in advance that they are having a "special FREE class" and say it is by "innvitation only" to the companies preferred clients. BWHAAAAA! What a load of crap!

What you get at best is redundant information, maybe a FREE PIZZA to make you feel homey and a HUGE sales pitch. What is supposed to be a 2 hour program is about 45 minutes of redundant general information the rest is all selling. Then they keep you hostage for another hour or two as one by one the "Educational Representaives" will take you into their offices and attempt to CLOSE you on the special of the day. OTA's Soupjdour.

What a con job!


Anyway, just my two cents
 
Quote from AM Bankus:

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My experience with OTA was quite different

Scamsighting wrote:

Fact is, a large majority of the "Traders" teaching the class are former Students of Online Trading Academy! Again, very nice people, who would like to make you feel good and important. But no where along the process will they ever say they will make you money, or even that majority of their students make money. They can't!!! The SEC would shut down this marketing company in a second.


The truth is....

Fact is that all OTA employees are required to take the classes and get to take them for free. Oh yes, they make it sound like they are former paying students who were mesmerized by OTA and then came over to work. This is total crap.

The real truth is that most of the employees have been employees of other failed investment/trading companies that have fallen like Better Trades, Optionetics, Wade Cook, Wize Trade and more and now are with OTA. They are get rich quick junkies who jump from company to company, sort of like prostitutes pimping the unwary public and people naive enough to fall for their story and looking for an easy way to riches.

Very few really know how to trade or do so successfully. They make their money selling trading information and classes. If you doubt that ask them to show you their w-4 and investment forms when they file taxes each year and see where their real money is made. Case closed.

Best advice is to invest in some good books, attend some of the other programs available (IBD has great classes and I am not promoting them, only a satisfied client) Charles Schwab offers free classes that offer better information than what I saw at OTA.

Robert Kiyosaki offers more advice in his FREE intro classes than what you will get from OTA's Power Trading Workshops and the speakers are much better. The entire event is more professional.

As for the guy picking his nose, he does that to everybody that asks too many questions and did it to me too. As I walked out and turned around I saw him licking his lips and he had a stupid smirk on his lips. Hope he enjoyed it.

The so called Education Counselors all have bad breath. Probably from blabbing so much. Call it sales breath. But yuck! It stinks and is a real turnoff.

The workshops are not packed and usually only attract about 1/4 capacity (about 5 people) I hear that they have had some with only one person. They have also reduced the number of Power Trading Workshops recently.

I hardly see this as a great business model. In Orlando, the office has changed owenership about a half dozen times at least and I hear the same thing is happening around the country. Employee turnover is very high. Morale is very low.

Customers are vastly dissappointed in the service they recieve. All the special FREE events are just sugar coated sales pitches and they are poorly organized. In most cases they will tell you a few hours or a day at the most in advance that they are having a "special FREE class" and say it is by "innvitation only" to the companies preferred clients. BWHAAAAA! What a load of crap!

What you get at best is redundant information, maybe a FREE PIZZA to make you feel homey and a HUGE sales pitch. What is supposed to be a 2 hour program is about 45 minutes of redundant general information the rest is all selling. Then they keep you hostage for another hour or two as one by one the "Educational Representaives" will take you into their offices and attempt to CLOSE you on the special of the day. OTA's Soupjdour.

What a con job!


Anyway, just my two cents
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The worst people to get financial advice from are commissioned sales people. They get paid to sell you their products and services and are usually broke and financially illiterate.

Companies like OTA are a perfect example where you have sales people "Educational Counselors" claiming to own a Mercedes and making $2,000 a day when in reality they ride on a bus to work and can't even afford lunch!











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