Warning: Online Trading Academy (tradingacademy.com)

it's not a SCAM but the price is a bit expensive for the 'training'

a course in college cost $1000..

why should learning trading be any different in cost.

why do you guys think a pro should teach you for 'free'

go buy a book and learn it yourself and don't waste my time.

lawyers charge $200-$800/hour for their time.

a plumber charged me $200/hour to fix my plumbing $200 for 1 hour of plumbing work.

a scam is if you are 'ripped' and lost money or mislead. these guys are upfront on their price and course material.




Quote from TraderZones:

Warning: Online Trading Academy (tradingacademy.com)

As I know that newbies sometimes scan on ET looking for info about companies offering expensive courses, this post is targeted to them.

I received a card in the mail for this organization. 5 hour trading free course + bonuses for free. I usually attend these, + hotel seminars, out of curiosity to see how they preach to the sheep (Investools, WizeTrade, BetterTrades, etc.). They are all pretty much the same, and pour out scorn on their competitors, at the same time.

I answered almost all the questions he kept posing to the 20 people in attendance, so they seem to target neophytes. They kept saying "experienced traders are the hardest to convince" DUH - that is because they know how to ask hard questions and demand proof.

What do the courses basically cover? For something like $6,000, this 7 day course is basically a regurgitation of gap analysis, TA patterns (wedge, pennants), and other things. You can get these in many different TA books Plus you "get to work with their master traders on live market data" to see these things in action. Funny, the only evidence that these master traders were good, were high praise from the presenters. Never any verifiable evidence to backup their "master" status.

And they have courses in forex, futures, stocks and options. Likely, you learn the same patterns/methods in 4 different ways. You can spend $24,000 to $64,000 on all their stuff. Retakes are free (except I think a $99 registration fee)

He constantly talked about how "their past customers love us" but NEVER talked about their customers documented success or offered proof of sucess of any kind. Just a few hour spiel designed to get you to sign up before you leave - similar to the other hotel seminar companies - they want you to sign up while you are stil pumped, and before your normal skepticism kicks in. I tried to talk 2 people out of their purchase, and 1 took me seriously.

The wet-behind-the-ears course presenter (a recent grad of some of their courses, as were their "counsellors") tried to pump me for my own performance and preferences (which I believe is legal only for CTAs/RIAs - discussing someone's personal trading)

And then he bragged he was doing 10-15% returns a month. Said "for a few months." Of course, he never proffered his own trading results, or audited results from company traders, or broker statements, etc.

You can google on the company + use scam or ripoff. You will find some reports to this effect. Only 2 BBB reports, but at least a handful of things on some scam reporting websites.

Expanding rapidly, they rented out cheap space (think off-the-beaten track former manufacturing facility in a partly deserted office park) that was REALLY hard to find.

If it was a couple hundred, might be worth it for a TA lover who wants to see things in action. But many thousands??? For an unproven company that offers no proof? To learn something almost straight out of books????

OF course, we never received the bonuses... :D
 
Quote from fanews:

it's not a SCAM but the price is a bit expensive for the 'training'

a course in college cost $1000..

why should learning trading be any different in cost.

why do you guys think a pro should teach you for 'free'

go buy a book and learn it yourself and don't waste my time.

lawyers charge $200-$800/hour for their time.

a plumber charged me $200/hour to fix my plumbing $200 for 1 hour of plumbing work.

a scam is if you are 'ripped' and lost money or mislead. these guys are upfront on their price and course material.

Disagree. There is no barrier to entry to "teach" trading. College Professors need PhD's, Plumbers need to be certified, Lawyers need to pass the Bar Exam.

The Pro traders who teach, are not real pro traders otherwise they would not be teaching for $$--- for free, sure, but not for cash. Just ask to see audited statements, ask to observe their trading for a week, ask for clients with whom they manage money for--- RARE is the guru who will produce any of these things.
 
I read the material and it's good course material.

The knowledge on trading can be found in the library.

if these students are morons and got a F in their trading exam it's not the schools fault.

all the gurus write trading/investing books.

the market for trading education is very small. most people won't pay $5000 for the training. or can't afford it.

and if you get hired at a hedge fund or prop firm they have month UNPAID training.

do you think somebody will let a newbie with zero trading experience manage firm capital and have zero experience?

Quote from marketsurfer:

Disagree. There is no barrier to entry to "teach" trading. College Professors need PhD's, Plumbers need to be certified, Lawyers need to pass the Bar Exam.

The Pro traders who teach, are not real pro traders otherwise they would not be teaching for $$--- for free, sure, but not for cash. Just ask to see audited statements, ask to observe their trading for a week, ask for clients with whom they manage money for--- RARE is the guru who will produce any of these things.
 
Quote from jnbadger:

Might be worth a shot. I guess I'm more of a book guy, and I'm always reluctant to give these places any money.

If I were you, I'd start reading the CL redux thread in real time while following along with a /CL chart. (sign up for a think or swim demo account if you don't have access to real time futures) The learning curve may be a little steep, but the same basic principles apply as with the ES. The /CL is just a crazy sob where everything happens a hell of a lot faster.

And pay close attention to Mama NoDoji. She knows her sh.t.

Good luck.

Ya I've been following the ES and CL journals, learned a lot so far, but was hoping to get a heavy dose of learning. I've read a lot of books too, and will continue, I guess you can say I am trying to diversify my learning channels.
 
Quote from fanews:

it's not a SCAM but the price is a bit expensive for the 'training'

a course in college cost $1000..

why should learning trading be any different in cost.

why do you guys think a pro should teach you for 'free'

go buy a book and learn it yourself and don't waste my time.

lawyers charge $200-$800/hour for their time.

a plumber charged me $200/hour to fix my plumbing $200 for 1 hour of plumbing work.

a scam is if you are 'ripped' and lost money or mislead. these guys are upfront on their price and course material.

Well said. It's not for everyone but maybe for some.
 
Quote from dsave:

Ya I've been following the ES and CL journals, learned a lot so far, but was hoping to get a heavy dose of learning. I've read a lot of books too, and will continue, I guess you can say I am trying to diversify my learning channels.

Sounds like you're way ahead of me. (happens a lot. :) )

Let us know if you're happy with the cd's if you decide to go that way.
 
Quote from jnbadger:

Sounds like you're way ahead of me. (happens a lot. :) )

Let us know if you're happy with the cd's if you decide to go that way.

I doubt I'm ahead, but I'm trying my best to get there. I'll wait for a bit more input
and will see what I think then, but right now a $50 expense seems like an acceptable tradeoff to satisfy my curiosity.
 
Quote from dsave:

I doubt I'm ahead, but I'm trying my best to get there. I'll wait for a bit more input
and will see what I think then, but right now a $50 expense seems like an acceptable tradeoff to satisfy my curiosity.

ask to see statements, then let us know what they tell you.

surf:D
 
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