WaPo Fact Checker Downgrades Obamacare ‘Horror Story’ to 3 Pinocchios

[exGOPer]

The case of Julie Boonstra, a leukemia patient who was featured in an Americans for Prosperity ad against Representative Gary Peters (D-MI) claiming she had lost her doctor and seen her premiums rise as a result of the Affordable Care Act, became controversial last month after politicians and reporters disputed the details of the ad, finding that Obamacare would actually improve her health coverage at lower cost.


Glenn Kessler, Washington Post’s fact checker, originally assigned the story ‘two Pinocchios’ (on a scale of four) pending further information about Boonstra’s plan (which he said AFP declined to give him). On Tuesday morning, he downgraded AFP’s ad to ’3 Pinocchios,’ arguing that much of Boonstra’s story had proven to be false, and that the group’s new ad, which merely says that Boonstra’s plan “isn’t right for me,” is a much fuzzier and “more subjective” claim.

Kessler noted that Boonstra’s new plan allowed her to retain her old doctor, and lowered her premiums by $1,200/year. It also covered all of her prescription medications and all of her out of pocket medical expenses on a bone marrow transplant, contrary to her worries on both.

“One cannot claim that a plan is ‘unaffordable’ when over the course of the year it will provide you with substantial savings,” Kessler wrote. “Thus we are changing the rating on this ad from Two Pinocchios to Three Pinocchios.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/wapo-fact-checker-downgrades-obamacare-horror-story-to-3-pinocchios/

 

[gwb-trading]

I just waiting for the next shoe to fall - the hit to all the corporate plans that will anger the majority of employed Americans.

My company already eliminated the option for the 100% EPO plan (which has covered my family for years) in the current 2014 plan year because BCBS eliminated the plan (in advance of the corporate mandate) because it is a 'Cadillac' plan that is not compliant with ACA. Now I am stuck with an 80% plan that provides much worse coverage for my family - because the type of corporate plan that has covered my family (and many others) is too good for Obamacare - which requires that you have crappy health insurance.

Thanks Obama!

 

[exGOPer]

I just waiting for the next shoe to fall - the hit to all the corporate plans that will anger the majority of employed Americans.

My company already eliminated the option for the 100% EPO plan (which has covered my family for years) in the current 2014 plan year because BCBS eliminated the plan (in advance of the corporate mandate) because it is a 'Cadillac' plan that is not compliant with ACA. Now I am stuck with an 80% plan that provides much worse coverage for my family - because the type of corporate plan that has covered my family (and many others) is too good for Obamacare - which requires that you have crappy health insurance.

Thanks Obama!

Cadillac plans are compliant, they just have an extra tax added to them. It's one of the 'revenue' generating methods to pay for the low income subsidies.

Right wingers are trying to have it both ways, arguing for bare bones plans and then arguing against them!

 

[gwb-trading]

Cadillac plans are compliant, they just have an extra tax added to them. It's one of the 'revenue' generating methods to pay for the low income subsidies.

Right wingers are trying to have it both ways, arguing for bare bones plans and then arguing against them!

Yes, but corporations will not offer "Cadillac" plans because they do not want to pay the tax. This means that many professionals in the U.S. that have been covered by 100% EPO type plans for decades will now be forced to take inferior 80% insurance.

Also adding to this is that many insurance companies such as BCBS have already stopped offering the 'Cadillac' plans in advance of ACA being applied to corporate plans. So some companies can not even offer a plan in 2014 that is no longer provided by the insurance company.

Let me state it once again - that Obamacare is going to force many employed professionals out of their traditional 100% EPO plans into inferior plans in the 2015 year. This is going to cause a good amount of anger across a sizable community of upper middle class people.

I have been unfortunate enough to have this change occur to our family in 2014 because BCBS discontinued the 100% EPO plan. This problem is going to be widespread in 2015 when the corporate mandate takes effect.

 

[exGOPer]

Yes, but corporations will not offer "Cadillac" plans because they do not want to pay the tax. This means that many professionals in the U.S. that have been covered by 100% EPO type plans for decades will now be forced to take inferior 80% insurance.

Also adding to this is that many insurance companies such as BCBS have already stopped offering the 'Cadillac' plans in advance of ACA being applied to corporate plans. So some companies can not even offer a plan in 2014 that is no longer provided by the insurance company.

Let me state it once again - that Obamacare is going to force many employed professionals out of their traditional 100% EPO plans into inferior plans in the 2015 year. This is going to cause a good amount of anger across a sizable community of upper middle class people.

I have been unfortunate enough to have this change occur to our family in 2014 because BCBS discontinued the 100% EPO plan. This problem is going to be widespread in 2015 when the corporate mandate takes effect.

The excise tax will definitely cause some shifts in behavior, according to a survey, 60% of corporates will restructure their high-end plans. The upside being that insurance premiums will decrease as corporates try to limit the costs of plans to a tax-free amount.

Your case is actually a good example of losers under Obamacare but your story won't make a good ad and that's why Republicans have to lie and make up stories to promote fake victims.

 

[fhl]

Couldn't get any funnier.

The group of pathological liars that all conspired to tell one the the biggest lies in US political history to pass the health care bill is on the lookout for "liars".

How can you not laugh at how brazenly hypocritical these human miscreants are?

 

[exGOPer]

Couldn't get any funnier.

The group of pathological liars that all conspired to tell one the the biggest lies in US political history to pass the health care bill is on the lookout for "liars".

How can you not laugh at how brazenly hypocritical these human miscreants are?

The party of death panels and WMDs and skewed polls do not get to talk about pathological lying. If Obamacare is so bad then why do they have to lie and make up victims.

The biggest lie in US political history has to be the skewed polls debacle, politicians regularly lie but it's remarkable for millions of citizens to lie to each other for a politician is bizarre and hilarious at the same time.

 

[Scataphagos]

"... Let me state it once again - that Obamacare is going to force many employed professionals out of their traditional 100% EPO plans into inferior plans in the 2015 year. This is going to cause a good amount of anger across a sizable community of upper middle class people.

Obama keeps "granting exceptions to especially favored groups" (unions) and delaying compliance... all so that voters are not totally PISSED AND ANGRY for the '14, '16 elections.... hoping the voters have short enough memory and are naive enough to vote DemoCrap once again. THEN... THE HAMMER OF ODUMBOCARE WILL FALL!!

 

[LEAPup]

Obama keeps "granting exceptions to especially favored groups" (unions) and delaying compliance... all so that voters are not totally PISSED AND ANGRY for the '14, '16 elections.... hoping the voters have short enough memory and are naive enough to vote DemoCrap once again. THEN... THE HAMMER OF ODUMBOCARE WILL FALL!!

That's pure common sense, and you nailed that one! Yes, sadly the sheep have a 7.4 second attention span. And yes, the tactic will probably work. The Republican Party should be fucking ashamed of themselves for ALLOWING this horse shit, and not having the balls to impeach (or fucking try), Onazi and jail his Gestapo. Why aren't they? Simple. It's all about votes, and KEEPING their power, and pay checks while We The People suffer.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

By the time 2016 rolls around, the democrats and their media buddies will have convinced voters all the problems with Obamacare are the republicans' fault.