Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

[Overnight]

From the first line of the article "A New York woman became the subject of ridicule and hatred on social media after she falsely accused a boy of groping her while she was shopping inside a deli." Doesn't sound like a world trending in your direction of impending doom to all the poor cowardly men. And again, it's pretty damn inconvenient but you just can't seem to justify why the remote chance that someone will lose their job over a false sexual harassment claim means we should ignore sexual harassment but that doesn't apply to any other crime or banned workplace behavior.
My eyes are open. I see the very real damage being done to women every day that is a continuation to harm that has been going on for decades, of which I've seen plenty in the last 25 years. You clearly could give fuck-all about that with some kind of irrational incel ideology that makes you the victim of some vanishingly unlikely event. Your loss my friend, as I said before.

If you are implying that I never suggested the problem of harassment against women exists, you are mistaken.

"And again, it's pretty damn inconvenient"...You just WAIT until it becomes more inconvenient for someone, when you hear about the one who spends time in the can for false accusations. ADMIT THAT IT CAN HAPPEN and I will leave you alone.

"after she falsely accused a boy of groping her while she was shopping inside a deli."

Do you not see the problem here? The kid was accused in the first place. THAT is the problem.
Maybe that is deep cerebral stuff you don't get?


"I see the very real damage being done to women every day that is a continuation to harm that has been going on for decades, of which I've seen plenty in the last 25 years. You clearly could give fuck-all about that with some kind of irrational incel ideology..."

Every day? So what are you doing about it every day to combat it? Every day for 25 years.

So that is basically 9,100 days that you have seen this harm to women. What have done on each of those 9,100 days to help solve the issue?

Yeah, I give a fuck. But #Me-Too is not the way to go about it.

 

[Sig]

Its not about sexual harassment in the workplace. Its about power. The feminists who push this agenda don't care about equality or wage gaps or harassment, they won those rights decades ago, they still use these things to gain further power in the workplace and it is the fedora tipping white knight men like yourself that are letting them get away with taking even more power.

It's almost depressing how inevitable it is that you devolve into ad hominem attacks when everything else you've said is shown to be bullshit. Listen, if you an @Overnight want to have a sausage festival with a bunch of frustrated heterosexual guys sniveling together united in your fear of women then knock yourself out. Your loss.

 

[Overnight]

...Listen, if you an @Overnight want to have a sausage festival with a bunch of frustrated heterosexual guys sniveling together united in your fear of women then knock yourself out. Your loss.

Sig, I respect you as a poster here, and I am not going to debate this issue with you further. We engaged in a topic, we disagree, and we'll leave it at that, We can agree to disagree on the thing.

End of line.

 

[Sig]

Sig, I respect you as a poster here, and I am not going to debate this issue with you further. We engaged in a topic, we disagree, and we'll leave it at that, We can agree to disagree on the thing.

End of line.

Agreed, happy trading.

 

[JSOP]

Please provide an example, a single example, of a man who was accused of sexual harassment for shaking a woman's hand, or looking at them and smiling, or any of the other hyperbole I'm reading here! This is exactly what I'm talking about with going full on sniveling coward over something that just doesn't happen. Sexual harassment is clearly defined in any company's sexual harassment policy. If your company doesn't have such a policy then that's a fail on them not women in the workplace and if you don't understand the definition and no-one will explain it to you then again a fail on your employer. I'll put an example of the definition policy at the end of this post, if that isn't clear enough for someone or they think it includes a handshake I'd submit that person has some issues, not the policy.

Let's be completely honest here. How many people do you know who are consummate professionals in the workplace have been accused of sexual harassment with a subsequent impact on their careers? Actual number here that you personally know. Zero I'm guessing? If you do know of such a case it would be vanishingly rare, on the order of your chances of getting hit by blue ice falling from an airplane. Is the guy who's always grab assing, telling off-color jokes, complaining about "political correctness" (which we once called basic civility), and generally being an ass eventually accused of sexual harassment? In the vast vast majority of cases, yes, and I have zero sympathy for him and anyone who would defend them.

Just because we don't know any examples doesn't know there isn't any and certainly does not mean there is not going to be any in the future. And I will tell you why that is the case. Because "shaking a woman's hands" fits exactly the 2 criteria that you listed below that constitutes "sexual harassment".

What Is “Sexual Harassment”?

o Touching, pinching, patting, kissing, hugging, grabbing, brushing against another employee’s body or poking another employee’s body;

Sexual harassment also consists of any unwanted verbal or physical advances, sexually explicit derogatory statements or sexually discriminatory remarks made by someone which are offensive or objectionable to the recipient, which cause the recipient discomfort or humiliation, which interfere with the recipient’s job performance.

Hand-shaking is touching, it's against another employee's body and the woman can easily claim it causes her "discomfort or humiliation" that she cannot work anymore. There you go, sexual harassment!! And this is a problem with this "sexual harassment" definition which is largely based on personal subjective feelings and emotions that is open to personal interpretation and is vulnerable to manipulations and exaggeration. What makes you think some b***** is not going to come along and claim that handshaking from her male superior or colleague is sexual harassment? It's just a matter of 0time. And this is why men are avoiding all contact with women. You want people to respect this definition or this standard, I told you it has to be clear unambiguous and based on objective measures that everybody can follow not based on some b****'s whims and "feelings" that nobody can argue or defend themselves against. Taking out this basis of "discomfort or humiliation" as a criteria would be a start.

It's not fair that some men can lose their entire lifetime's achievement just because of some b****'s "feeling of discomfort that she cannot do her work". If she feels she cannot do her work, the b**** needs to stay home or go work for an all-female organization. But she better not think an all-female organization is any better, nowadays women are just as aggressive as men if not more so and even though #MeToo doesn't want you to believe it but women can be just as guilty of sexual harassment as men and they can commit it in an even more conniving and subtle way.

So good luck shaking hands with your cheap labor female subordinates. Enjoy it while it lasts!

 

[JSOP]

Thanks for making my point for me. If you think Rudy Pantoja's example of a juvinile dick joke is the behavior a professional shows in the workplace then I guess you're right to be throwing the pity party we see on this thead because that world is gone and we're all better because of it. The guy is the classic example of the asshat I referred to in my post if you do a little background on him, again thanks for providing a real world example of what I was referring to.

Yeah like women don't make dick jokes about men. LOL See this is another issue that #MeToo sweeps under the rug, double standards. When a man tells a dick joke when there are women present, he's committing "sexual harassment" but when a woman screams "cut off his dick!" in front of men she is being sassy and strong! If you want men to be respectful of women and not harassing women sexually, you need to hold women to the same standard.

 

[JSOP]

Once again I very specifically asked for a single example of someone you or any other poster personally know who were harmed by a false sexual harassment accusation that came from nothing more than an innocuous handshake or smile, which were two specific examples cited here that the posters were apparently legitimately afraid of.

the handshake and smile is only "innocuous" now because the woman chooses it to be for now but it can turn into "sexual harassment" on a dime whenever that woman feels like it and the man would have no way of defending against that. It's her feeling of "discomfort", what do you say to that? If a standard needs to be respected and implemented correctly it shouldn't give the onus of power all to one side and not to another. When it does, this is where you find one side going out of their way to protect themselves like what's happening to Wall Street. I am not saying I fully agree with it but I can totally understand where they are coming from. They are doing this to protect themselves and you can never protect yourself enough especially when a stupid "movement" and a "standard" is one-sided. This is what we do in trading. We look at future possibilities.

And there is no loss to those companies for losing those female employees if otherwise they would have to spend all the extra resources and energy to constantly have to sort out some b****'s "discomfort" and have to lose productivity and talent of male workers and result into tense corporate culture.

 

[Overnight]

Indeed, and this caught my eye in that list of rules...

"Subtle or obvious pressure for unwelcome sexual activities..."

That right there is so open to interpretation it makes the mind swim.

How do you define subtle pressure? How do you define unwelcome?

"Um, I am not feeling horny right now, and your wink at me that Ithink you think makes me want to kiss you is harassing me."

Well, how the hell is the person supposed to know it is unwelcome in the first place? Do women run around the public square yelling, "I am having my period and am not looking for anything sexual, so KNOW that any gestures by you, such as a subtle nod and wink will make me feel uncomfortable!" No, they do not. Charlotte's web?

 

[Simples]

Some untoward behaviour is unprofessional me2 or not. You cannot make rules dictating all behaviour though, as anything may at any time become offensive to someone.
Me2 should be about those cover ups and abusive behaviour, ie. where someone in leading position takes personal advantage. It's about a very tiny minority, supported by the culture and silent coward majority.

 

[southall]

Indeed, and this caught my eye in that list of rules...
"Subtle or obvious pressure for unwelcome sexual activities..."
That right there is so open to interpretation it makes the mind swim.
How do you define subtle pressure? How do you define unwelcome?

If the man is below her standards then even the slightest bit of flirting is unwelcome and considered harassment.
But if he is meets or exceeds her standards the exact same things are very welcome.