Wall St Jo: Student-Loan Debt Tops $1 Trillion

piezoe some very thoughtful comments. I actually support Obama but don't feel he or congress has done enough to reign in the egregious and greedy "Private" schools that charge $24K to be a medical transcriber or work in a medical office...$12 to learn to be a masseuse..etc. Yes, so many people are taken by false advertisement and downright lies and they share blame but these special interest are really getting a pass IMO by every administration, congress and the states . Learning a trade is valuable but Community colleges and voc edu are the place for that and not high priced on line "Colleges".
 
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BK's stay on the record, simple credit card defaults can be removed if you know the right lawyer.. The student debt is in a class by itself. The IRS keeps your tax refunds if you default for one thing. That puts a wrinkle in things.

In this time when the economy should be in full recovery and it's not, student loans are keeping the 20-30 yo crowd from participating in the economy.

Let me see if I get this right: Government intervention into housing loans caused the current crisis. Government intervention into education financing is partly responsible for the slow economy. Government debt is leading to higher taxation and higher taxation is partly responsible for the slow economy... OK, is there a pattern here that anybody can grasp? Believe me, people still do not grasp the pattern, they will not grasp the pattern even when inflation has starved their grandparents to death. That is why history repeats itself! I'm thinking, with regard to history repeating itself that we might as well try to just be on the right side of the trade all the time.
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Eight is right at the top of my list of great posters on this site.
 
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piezoe some very thoughtful comments. I actually support Obama but don't feel he or congress has done enough to reign in the egregious and greedy "Private" schools that charge $24K to be a medical transcriber or work in a medical office...$12 to learn to be a masseuse..etc. Yes, so many people are taken by false advertisement and downright lies and they share blame but these special interest are really getting a pass IMO by every administration, congress and the states . Learning a trade is valuable but Community colleges and voc edu are the place for that and not high priced on line "Colleges".
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You hit this right on the nose. I've taught for these "for profits," and you simply would not believe what goes on to get people in the door and keep them there.

This is the definition of moral hazard: loans paid to the school directly, and the school shoulders none of the burden if students default.

These for-profits represent 10% of the post-secondary education population, and - are you ready? - 50% of the defaults.
 
I have never had anything directly to do with folks running these for profit "educational" institutions. But I knew a very bright chap who had a masters degree in English who was briefly on the faculty of one of these for profit "Colleges" you speak of. Everything he told me confirms what you have said about these "schools" that are apparently only there to rip off various federal programs. His tales of this operation are eye opening, to say the least. They would accept any student, no matter how deficient, help them tie into the federal student assistance programs, even though many of these particular students were border line literate and had virtually no chance of securing a job in their chosen field. I was left with the impression that the only reason for existence of these institutions was to tap into federal money.
 
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"...Ya think this is the reason finance isn't taught in high school.
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More specifically... Finance is not taught in school because the politicos have a vested interest in the hol polloi remaining financially ignorant.



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I have never had anything directly to do with folks running these for profit "educational" institutions. But I knew a very bright chap who had a masters degree in English who was briefly on the faculty of one of these for profit "Colleges" you speak of. Everything he told me confirms what you have said about these "schools" that are apparently only there to rip off various federal programs. His tales of this operation are eye opening, to say the least. They would accept any student, no matter how deficient, help them tie into the federal student assistance programs, even though many of these particular students were border line literate and had virtually no chance of securing a job in their chosen field. I was left with the impression that the only reason for existence of these institutions was to tap into federal money.
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ALL correct!

Sounds impossible, I know, but I couldn't have described it better.
 
student loans are not dis-chargeable via bk... your suggestion seems to be a possible way around it. How many unemployed students are going to have sufficient lines of credit to pay off their student loan debt? Realistically 100K in loans...

Maybe they should hit freddy and fanny with no money down mortgages. take out second and 3rd mortgages too... Then do a bk... might be the new graduation party for this generation.

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Student debt IS something that everyone needs to be concerned about as it eventually affects us all. Even those of us who paid for our kids to go to college. My son married a girl with 50K debt and no degree to show for it. For the 1st four years of their marriage she "worked" to pay it down but the balance NEVER shrank. I finally suggested they use his 401K to pay it off and they did. Very risky but the interest rates her loan co's were charging was usury and at least he is paying the interest to himself now and the debt WILL finally get paid. Divorce probably to follow...:(

At any rate...what prevents kids from putting the student debt on credit cards...THEN declaring BK?
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Student loans which can't be repaid.. just another "redistribution of wealth". Yeah, I know.... student loan debts "can't" be discharged through BK...

Wanna bet the government/Democrats don't find a way to heap that obligation onto the ones who pay taxes, anyway?
 
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Wanna bet the government/Democrats don't find a way to heap that obligation onto the ones who pay taxes, anyway?
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Of course. Every stealth monetization effort is another obligation heaped upon the taxpayer. ZIRP is just another transference of the accumulated savings of the responsible to try and "stimulate" the umpteenth round of refi's and teaser rates for "homeowners".

The list is literally endless, but it doesn't take genius to see the where and how of an increased cost of living AND a lowered standard of living.
 
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