Voting Fraud Conviction database

So your proposal is that we should have no restrictions or regulations. We should even not have voter registration even. All of these "safe guards" make it more difficult to vote according to your philosophy and disenfranchises minorities, etc., etc. etc.

It is more important that people believe in the integrity of our voting system and that individuals cannot get away with with voter fraud.... measures such as picture voter id help ensure this while they do not the reduce the number of people voting or disenfranchise anyone.

I will note also that states with picture voter id have higher turnout than states without it. The data shows that claims that picture voter id requirements reduce turnout or suppress the vote are nonsense.

This is a strange species of acquiescence but I will take it.

The database you provided does not prove voter fraud on a meaningful scale. It’s political propaganda. A tool to further a baseless claim in hopes to compel laws that may disenfranchise some marginal groups.

Now you want to shift the argument well the rhetoric you engage in and propaganda you spread are part of a larger conversation that causes people to WRONGLY believe elections are not secure in America and that should compel a reasonable person to support election policies based on propaganda.

Give me a break. You’re arguing we should do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.
 
This paragraph is very important, and something the left is either intentionally not addressing or simply not getting. I believe in the former.

There will always be some people who believe the system is rigged no matter what you do. you have to discount them.

But when 25-35% of the population (according to recent polls) think the system is rigged, this is a real problem. You would get a higher number if you asked the question of "whether or not fraud occurs".

Instead of discounting claims about election fraud as "baseless" or "crazy talk" or the belief of "idiots", we should be running every claim to the ground to show - without the shadow of a doubt - that fraud isn't prevalent or widespread. If and when we find these instances of fraud, we should prosecute them to the full extent of the law. By both parties.

I suspect that Democrats prefer Republicans to believe the system is rigged so they would prefer not to vote. Win for the democrats.

In a republic the rights of the few are protected from the will of the many. You are arguing there is a poorly informed mob so we should appease them even if it causes some Americans to be disenfranchised. That is not American.
 
In a republic the rights of the few are protected from the will of the many. You are arguing there is a poorly informed mob so we should appease them even if it causes some Americans to be disenfranchised. That is not American.

First, the majority of the mob is uninformed.

Second, if they are uninformed, we should take action to inform them, not dismiss them.
 
First, the majority of the mob is uninformed.

Second, if they are uninformed, we should take action to inform them, not dismiss them.

This would be great but I honestly think we are not in a time when reason and facts prevail in the common republican. Take a look at right wing media, Fox News is bleeding viewers because they are not confirming the insane conspiracies some people want to believe.

I often think of this verse and wonder what republican can shepherd the fanatics on the right:

Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will
Shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness
For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children
 
Does the voting conviction database show that? No
Well then the OP does not agree with POTUS.

Stop pushing absurd narratives.
Nothing absurd about your hypocrisy in pushing disenfranchisement on select people and not others using garbage data and far right talking points.
 
Nothing absurd about your hypocrisy in pushing disenfranchisement on select people and not others using garbage data and far right talking points.

Good luck with your claims. Urging simple measures to be put in place that reduce voter fraud does no disenfranchise anyone or reduce turnout. If people are confident with the integrity of “one person, one vote” then they are more likely to turn-out.

Once again, can you explain why states with picture voter id requirements generally have the high voter turnout rates?
 
Good luck with your claims.

My claims he says:

So much for the liberal claims that there is no voter fraud...

Texas says it found 95,000 non-citizens on voter rolls; 58,000 have voted
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/te...-non-citizens-on-voter-rolls-58000-have-voted

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced Friday that the state has discovered 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls going back to 1996, 58,000 of whom have voted in at least one Texas election -- an announcement likely to raise fresh concerns about the prospect of voter fraud.

Texas has some of the toughest voter ID laws in the nation and has been one of the main battlegrounds in the Republican-led fight against alleged voter fraud. The office, in a statement, said that 33 people were prosecuted for voter fraud last year, and 97 were prosecuted between 2005-17. There are 16 million people in Texas registered to vote.

“Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice,” Paxton said in a statement.

The New York Times reported that the findings were a result of of an 11-month investigation into records at the Texas Department of Public Safety. Gov. Greg Abbott praised the findings and hinted at future legislation to crack down on voter fraud.


"I support prosecution where appropriate. The State will work on legislation to safeguard against these illegal practices," Abbott tweeted.

The revelation is likely to have national consequences and stir debate and the role of voter fraud. President Trump created a commission in 2017 to investigate allegations of voter fraud in the 2016 election. But it was eventually dismantled by Trump after the group faced lawsuits, opposition from states and in-fighting among its members.

Trump said at the time that Democrats refused to hand over data “because they know that many people are voting illegally.” Democrats have dismissed claims of voter fraud and accused Republicans of trying to disenfranchise minority voters with tight voter ID laws.

Dallas state Rep. Rafael Anchia told The Associated Press that "because we have consistently seen Texas politicians conjure the specter of voter fraud as pretext to suppress legitimate votes, we are naturally skeptical."

Paxton’s office noted that there have been a number of convictions of voter fraud in the state in recent years, including a charge against a non-citizen this month for illegal voting in Navarro County.

I'm sure this will get the same press coverage

TEXAS ADMITS ERRORS IN ILLEGAL VOTER REPORT OF 95,000, CLAIMS IT’S NOW MUCH LOWER

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-admit...-lower-1314121

As the list began circulating around Texas' 254 counties, red flags popped up on those who were flagged. One by one, and then by the hundreds, and then thousands, the original number began dwindling.

The governor disregarded the inaccuracy, but still called for a quick correction to the state’s voting rolls.

“This is what you would categorize as a process, a work [in progress]," Abbott said reports the Texas Tribune. "They’ll get it right, but I do want to be emphatic: It is essential that the secretary of state, [the Department of Public Safety], counties, anybody with any authority over this whatsoever work collaboratively and swiftly together to make sure our voter rolls are accurate, to ensure integrity in the election process.”

At a news conference Thursday, Abbott acknowledged the original list of 95,000 as a “weak match,” and that state officials will continue to work removing those who don’t have “legal authority” to vote.

"They were clear that it was a weak match, and they were reaching out to counties saying, ‘Listen, this isn’t a hard-and-fast list," Abbott said. "This is a list that we need to work on together to make sure that those who do not have the legal authority to vote are not going to be able to vote."

The errant report could have resulted in massive erasure of names from voting rolls, especially in larger communities. In Houston, the original report called for the removal of about 18,000 voters. The new report is only 40 percent of that number.

In Williamson County, an affluent suburb north of Austin, voting officials were told to remove 2,033 names, but it has since been cut in half as those voters were identified as naturalized citizens.

In Waco, the entire list of 366 voters was tossed out because none of their citizenship statuses were actually in question.
Doc had but three redeeming traits. One was his courage; he was afraid of nothing on Earth. The second was the one commendable principal in his code of life, sterling loyalty to friends. The third was his affection for Wyatt Earp.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8500644dc98_story.html?utm_term=.088d85949480

Inaccurate claims of noncitizen voting in Texas reflect a growing trend in Republican states

Local officials in Texas quickly realized many of the names they were sent belonged to naturalized citizens. El Paso’s list included a woman who works at the elections office and whose colleagues threw her a naturalization party at the office when she became a citizen in 2017, the Texas Tribune reported last week.

In Galveston, election administrators removed duplicates before sending a first batch of letters to 92 of the approximately 830 people listed as noncitizens. Then the Secretary of State’s office called to tell them there were problems with the list. It turned out 64 of those 92 voters were citizens.

That story played out in counties across Texas, with state officials calling the county election administration to remove thousands of names from the original list. McLennan County, home to Waco, was told to disregard all 366 names originally sent. How many suspected noncitizen voters remain on the statewide list is unknown.

Texas Democrat, wife charged in mail-in ballot scheme targeting his own election

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announces 134 felony voter fraud charges in connection with 2018 Dem primary
The allegations include election fraud and mail-in ballot fraud
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-voter-fraud

compare to whitey:

Feds subpoena Texas AG Ken Paxton amid Supreme Court election challenge
https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...ton-texas-ag-served-subpoena-amid-supreme-c/?

Federal law enforcement officials served a subpoena this week on the office of the Texas attorney general, according to an Austin newspaper.

The FBI, according to a report Thursday in the Austin American Statesman, came Wednesday to the office of Attorney General Ken Paxton in an investigation over claims that Mr. Paxton abused his office by helping a friend and campaign donor.

The paper cited “three sources” as saying the request for information was delivered on Mr. Paxton’s office, though they did not know what the FBI sought or got.

“The issuance of a federal subpoena on a state agency, and especially involving the state’s top attorney, is a highly unusual move that likely would have required higher level approval from the U.S. Department of Justice,” the American Statesman wrote.

Earlier this week, Mr. Paxton initiated what likely will be President Trump’s last chance to reverse the apparent victory of Democrat Joseph R. Biden in the presidential election — a lawsuit filed directly with the Supreme Court accusing four swing states of having “tainted” the election by changing their election laws in an unconstitutional manner.

Legal analysts consider the lawsuit a long shot.

The federal case centers on claims by former top Paxton aides that the attorney general used his power to aid Austin investor Nate Paul after an FBI raid on the financier’s offices.

(More at above url)

The Supreme Court will not even listen to this absurd suit from Texas DA Ken Paxton (who is under investigation by the FBI already for his illegal activities).


then:

Patriot Americans rejected your BS (by nearly 2 million votes)!

Illegal Immigrants voting illegally rejected our new president (by nearly 2 million votes)!

I would support a voter integrity panel led by an independent or bi-partisan commission over Kobach. The bottom line is the panel would need to do its job to force a clean-up of voting rolls across states, and enforce better mechanisms to dump invalid voters such as non-citizens from the rolls.

I
I would support a voter integrity panel led by an independent or bi-partisan commission over Kobach. The bottom line is the panel would need to do its job to force a clean-up of voting rolls across states, and enforce better mechanisms to dump invalid voters such as non-citizens from the rolls.

That is your personal opinion as someone who holds left leaning political views. I view Brietbart as just one more media outlet that pushes a biased agenda. No different than FOX. Or CNN or MSNBC, etc. I review their material and look for the data & facts while keeping their bias in mind to form my opinions. Similar to Kobach, I recognize his bias but I take a look at the facts and data he deliverers in his article - which in this case is indisputable -- it all leads to the question of how same-day registrations for voting should be validated to ensure the integrity of our elections.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-shuts-down-voter-fraud-commission/article/2644912

Trump shuts down voter fraud commission
by Ariella Phillips | Jan 3, 2018, 6:58 PM

The Trump administration has ended its controversial voter fraud commission, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders announced Wednesday.

In a statement, the White House said, "Rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense, today I signed an executive order to dissolve the Commission, and have asked the Department of Homeland Security to review these issues and determine next courses of action."

The commission has faced numerous legal challenges. It was led by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a staunch supporter of voter ID laws, and Vice President Mike Pence.

"Despite substantial evidence of voter fraud, many states have refused to provide the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity with basic information relevant to its inquiry," the statement added.

If the states will not turn over their voting information then it makes sense to shut down the Commission. The next step obviously is for the Justice Department to sue each of the states so they hand over the information which they are required by law to provide (and yes, the DOJ lawsuits will provide clarity on the law in this matter).

The reality is that Trump and the Republicans have a win here even without the Commission doing much -- just the threat of having the Commission dig deeper into voting matters has forced states to review the voting rolls in recent months for current residency, felony convictions, and citizenship status -- and appropriately purge inadmissible voters from the rolls.

So tell us what states sent information to the Voting Commission. Recognize the Commission itself does not directly view the data; federal employees & contractors with access to "Title" (private) data are the only ones who can view the raw data and compile the reports asked for by the Commission.

The shutting down of the Commission had little to do with the dispute with the Democrats on the panel and was more due to the lack of progress due to hindrance in obtaining data from the states. The DOJ will take up this issue now and start suing the states to further establish the principal that the Federal government sets standards for voting and information collection, not the states. If this is not so, then we can easily have states go back to collecting poll taxes, having people read the Constitution, and setting whatever eligibility standards they desire for voters.

when whitey's involved:

"A Michigan lawyer for Trump's campaign filed a case in the wrong court. Lawsuits in Arizona and Nevada were dropped. A Georgia challenge was quickly rejected for lack of evidence. His Pennsylvania legal team just threw in the towel." The. Best. People.

‘Purely outlandish stuff’: Trump’s legal machine grinds to a halt
So many lawsuits have been filed in so many state and federal courts that no one has an exact number. The campaign has lost nearly all of the cases that have been decided so far.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/trump-legal-team-cases-dropped-436492

A Michigan lawyer for Donald Trump’s campaign filed a case in the wrong court. Lawsuits in Arizona and Nevada were dropped. A Georgia challenge was quickly rejected for lack of evidence. His Pennsylvania legal team just threw in the towel.

The president’s legal machine — the one papering swing states with lawsuits and affidavits in support of Trump’s unsubstantiated claims of widespread fraud — is slowly grinding to a halt after suffering a slew of legal defeats and setbacks.

In the effort to stop Joe Biden’s victory from being certified, so many lawsuits have been filed in so many state and federal courts that no one has an exact number. But one thing is certain: the Trump campaign has an almost perfect record, having won only one case and lost at least a dozen.


Along the way, Trump lawyers have abruptly dropped core claims, been admonished in court for lack of candor and even been forced to admit they had no evidence of fraud, while their client inaccurately rails to the contrary on Twitter.

The sole Trump campaign victory came Thursday night: a Pennsylvania ruling that the secretary of state overstepped her authority by giving citizens extra days to fix signature mismatches on their mail in ballots. The ruling concerns a relatively small number of voters that are not even included in the election results for the state, where Biden leads by 62,000 votes with more than 98 percent of estimated votes reported.

On Friday, in another Pennsylvania case, the Trump cause was torpedoed yet again: an appeals court upheld the state’s method of handling post-Election Day absentee ballots, which could add more votes to Biden’s total.

“They’re throwing the kitchen sink against the wall to see what sticks — a mixed metaphor that’s deserving of this legal strategy. And ‘legal strategy’ should be in quotes,” said Ben Ginsberg, a veteran Republican election law attorney who headed the famed Florida recount team that ultimately led to George W. Bush becoming president.

Ginsberg chuckled at one hapless Michigan lawyer who filed an election challenge Thursday evening in a federal claims court in Washington, D.C., the wrong venue, and bizarrely titled it, “Donald Trump v. USA,” as if the president was suing the nation.

“Why would anyone ever use that title?” Ginsberg wondered, speculating that Trump’s lawyers are trying to “appease their client” by filing the suits that have little prayer of succeeding because, “they don’t have instances of fraud or irregularities that are relevant.”

Another lawsuit in Michigan, filed by the conservative Great Lakes Justice Center on behalf of two Republican poll watchers, was rejected Friday by a state judge who found that the plaintiffs’ allegations of fraud were really an exercise in speculation fueled by unfamiliarity with the vote-counting process.

“Sinister, fraudulent motives were ascribed to the process and to the City of Detroit. Plaintiffs’ interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible,” wrote Chief Judge Timothy Kenny. "It would be an unprecedented exercise of judicial activism for this Court to stop the certification process of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers."

Hours before, another Trump attorney dropped his star-crossed case in Arizona’s Maricopa County, where the campaign was pushing the so-called SharpieGate conspiracy theory, a bogus claim that ballots were spoiled because voters used a marker to bubble in their choice of candidates. During the hearing, Trump’s team abandoned mentioning the issue after elections officials made the case that it was an invalid argument.

Trump’s lawyer, Kory Langhofer, also admitted in court that some of the questionable affidavits in support of the suit were collected as part of an online evidence-gathering process that invited “spam.” He also used his business partner as a witness, called other witnesses who were unable to say they were disenfranchised and undercut Trump’s public messaging about fraud.

“This is not a fraud case,” Langhofer said in court. “It is not a stealing-the-election case.”

Similarly, in a Pennsylvania case, another Trump lawyer, Bob Goldstein, made it clear he was also not bringing a fraud claim because “accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step” that he wasn’t prepared to take.

Then, just before midnight Friday, Goldstein’s firm of Porter Wright Morris & Arthur dropped Trump’s campaign as a client, a rare move that underscores how fraught the quixotic case was for the firm’s reputation.


Barry Richard, a veteran election law attorney who also handled George W. Bush’s recount case in 2000, said the Trump campaign's legal strategy looks amateurish and disjointed.

“This is just purely outlandish stuff,” Richard said. “But we have an outlandish president. So I guess this makes sense.”

He said Trump’s campaign faces a huge challenge. To succeed, he said, the president would have to show that fraud or irregularities not only existed, but in such a large amount that the election needed to be invalidated in the select state.

In an earlier Pennsylvania case where Trump’s team tried to stop ballot-counting, the president’s lawyers were forced to admit that a “nonzero number of” Republican observers were allowed to witness ballot counting, contrary to false claims made outside the courtroom that no Republican observers were present. The judge reminded Trump’s lawyers they have a “duty of candor” in court.

Another recently filed Pennsylvania case argues that it will provide data-based “analytical evidence of illegal voting” at a future date. A newly filed Wisconsin case references “fraud” 31 times, but only to point out fraud in other places and races and provides no evidence of it happening in the state for this election.

In Montana, federal Judge Dana Christensen had harsher words for yet another team of Trump lawyers who were trying to stop mail-in voting in October when he called the claims widespread voter fraud “fiction.” And two days after the election in Michigan, federal Judge Cynthia Stephens rejected yet another lawsuit.

“Come on, now!” she admonished the lawyers at one point during a hearing. In her opinion, she referred to the campaign’s argument as “inadmissible hearsay within hearsay.”

The courts have been unsympathetic to the conspiracy theories and lack of evidence presented in Nevada, where judges all the way to the state Supreme Court have swiftly rejected Trump campaign arguments. A GOP-produced list of allegedly illegal voters in the state turned out to be legal voters who were soldiers, sailors and their spouses stationed elsewhere. A Nevada woman’s claim of voter fraud also proved so meritless that a federal judge rejected another Trump lawsuit.

On Friday, the Trump campaign dropped its ballot-counting lawsuit in Nevada.

In Georgia’s Chatham County, a lack of documentation of wrongdoing led a state court judge to say last week there was “no evidence” to support a Trump lawsuit challenging the counting and handling of mail-in ballots.

Yet for all of this, Trump’s campaign and his supporters are continuing to push on with more lawsuits, leading veteran election law lawyers like Kenneth Gross to speculate that he’s using the lawsuits to raise money or process the grief of his loss.

“There are all these stages of grief — anger, denial, bargaining etc. — and it seems to me he’s experiencing all of them simultaneously instead of linearly, except for acceptance,” Gross said. “Keeping multiple balls in the air that we know are not going to land in a good place could be partially to assuage his psychological issues of getting over the loss of this and giving his fans some thin reed of hope. But they’re being misled.”

Gross said the lawsuits are so groundless that the lawyers are more likely to be sanctioned for pursuing them than to succeed in court.


J.C. Planas, a former Republican lawyer and lawmaker from Florida who used to represent GOP candidates in election-law cases, said he can only speculate that Trump is holding out hope that he can pressure Republican legislators in other states to appoint their own electors and ignore the will of voters.

“The strategy is to pull a Jedi mind trick on legislators in these states to appoint their own pro-Trump electors,” Planas said. “In one respect, he’s succeeded because something like 70 percent of Trumpers say the election wasn’t fair.”

Outside the court, where the rules of evidence don’t apply and there is no threat of judicial sanction, Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani last week alleged wrongdoing and fraud and promised multiple lawsuits. Biden’s chief legal counsel, Bob Bauer, ribbed the Trump legal team for their spurious claims and even for Giuliani’s widely mocked press conference at a landscaping company in an industrial park on the outskirts of Philadelphia.

“It's one thing for Rudy Giuliani to go out into the parking lot, sandwiched between a sex shop and a crematorium, and make the claims he made,” Bauer said. “It's another thing to be a lawyer in a courtroom and have your claims tested.”

Despite the numerous setbacks in battleground states, Trump campaign spokesperson Tim Murtaugh insisted the campaign had a “methodical” approach that will result in victory.

“Over 72 million people now have voted for President Trump and those Americans deserve to know that this election was free, fair, safe and secure, and they deserve to know that every legal vote is counted and that every illegal vote is not counted,” Murtaugh said in a conference call about the lawsuits Thursday night. “You simply cannot ignore the very real evidence of irregularities.”
 
My claims he says:







compare to whitey:






then:















when whitey's involved:

Enjoy your fantasy that reporting news at various times plus some humor tie-ins somehow can be strung into a narrative that somehow demonstrates prejudice and is supporting "whitey".

Why don't I cut and paste your various posts over the years to demonstrate that you are card carrying member of the KKK who spends his time burning crosses on lawns when you are not marching in your favorite third reich gear.
 
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