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Volume
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Taking the full offer of the market is done using volume as an indicator.
As bars form, you log the 11 names of the volume bar by doing a three part volume test when you get permission to do the test.
By placing the volume names from left to right on your log, you do not have to have a signle column where you put a name.
Instead you put the test results on the row of the bar on your log.
For me every day has 81 volume bars. I number the rows of my log. Redundantly, I also fill in on my master blank log the time of the ending of the bar.
A trend unfolds or its unfolding is viiolated. Volume is where this fact in trend monitoring and analysis is displayed.
The eyes "SEE" it IN a space and AS a shape and AT the end of significant movement.
I put one additional item on a volume bar. It is a background highlight. The highlight is calculated as the bar begins to form and it is continually adjusted as more information flows.
An asshole, named the magician just mentioned it. He doesn't work or understand anything and he controls threads more than do moderators and the ET management.
PRVis a leading indicator of the independent variable. It is an excellent invention.
All during a bar forming you see seveal information items as a result of adding PVR. You have comparisons that enable you to "carve" making the most money that is offered.
All potential traders try to become more knowledgeable and skilled as they spend time ramping up to beginner, intermediate and expert. BY watching PRV 81 times a day, a person can affect the growth of his mind.
Profit segments first come into view, then they come into the Present and finally, they are there on the spot.
And then they are gone and in the past.
One pertinent skill in trading is carving the turns of profit segments.
Trends have two kinds of parts: Continuation parts and End Effect parts. These sets of parts are mutually exclusive.
End Effects make money. You TAKE profits at an end effect.
To make the most money you monitor and analyze. You follow a routine.
A trader creates just once. You create how and why you monitor and analyze. You create the routine just once.
you are watching these detractors create FAILURE.
you also get to see moderators FAIL OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
As bars form, you log the 11 names of the volume bar by doing a three part volume test when you get permission to do the test.
By placing the volume names from left to right on your log, you do not have to have a signle column where you put a name.
Instead you put the test results on the row of the bar on your log.
For me every day has 81 volume bars. I number the rows of my log. Redundantly, I also fill in on my master blank log the time of the ending of the bar.
A trend unfolds or its unfolding is viiolated. Volume is where this fact in trend monitoring and analysis is displayed.
The eyes "SEE" it IN a space and AS a shape and AT the end of significant movement.
I put one additional item on a volume bar. It is a background highlight. The highlight is calculated as the bar begins to form and it is continually adjusted as more information flows.
An asshole, named the magician just mentioned it. He doesn't work or understand anything and he controls threads more than do moderators and the ET management.
PRVis a leading indicator of the independent variable. It is an excellent invention.
All during a bar forming you see seveal information items as a result of adding PVR. You have comparisons that enable you to "carve" making the most money that is offered.
All potential traders try to become more knowledgeable and skilled as they spend time ramping up to beginner, intermediate and expert. BY watching PRV 81 times a day, a person can affect the growth of his mind.
Profit segments first come into view, then they come into the Present and finally, they are there on the spot.
And then they are gone and in the past.
One pertinent skill in trading is carving the turns of profit segments.
Trends have two kinds of parts: Continuation parts and End Effect parts. These sets of parts are mutually exclusive.
End Effects make money. You TAKE profits at an end effect.
To make the most money you monitor and analyze. You follow a routine.
A trader creates just once. You create how and why you monitor and analyze. You create the routine just once.
you are watching these detractors create FAILURE.
you also get to see moderators FAIL OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
Quote from frenchfry:
What is the reason that you had to redo what Spyder already did? Your display seems to show the same information, just in another way.
More interesting would be the volume part.
I did not redo that work. A lot of people really like it as it is.
I am showing how a person gets permission to measure volume. To do that I used criteria, filters, formulae. rules and a strategy.
That is not good enough, however. I had to make it easy for the mind to process what and how the eyes sense the market informing the trader as to what is going on.
Most of all I had to deal with the platform's way of handling Carnap's logic theory. The plaform builder made careless errors for logic blocks like NOT's of things. All AND's and OR's have to be built for their True's and then their False's have to be built separately since the platform logic messes this up. I use "sensing" devices to have QA.
Notice the laterals. They have four internal beginning pionts now. This adds three more ways laterals do begin. It has a component that is as accurate as possible.
As you say "volume is more interesting".
The thread OP in incompetent. So is the moderation. There are several detractors adding misinformation all the time. Soon this thread will make it to chit chat to "throw the thread out with the garbage".
As time passes, learners go through learning beyond just rote learning of rules they make up.
One thing that happens is that they see mistakes in their inventions. A way to help people who have inventing mistakes is to do development in detail and not have careless mistakes ruin it.
So I showed a chart that would have allowed me to begin to correct a lot of errors introduced in this thread.
The chart starts and ends somewhere in the middle. Next time please right click on the chart and select "Screen capture (this chart only)".
Let's assume somebody takes this chart and starts the category test procedure. They then assign a P1 to bar 18 because....? Because that's where everything starts, right? And if we don't know where we are we simply assume and start with a P1.
Bar 19 is higher volume. We need to re-check. Is this a P1? Could be. We assign a new P1. At the same time we note the limitation of the platform to de-gap intrabar.
Bar 20: Wait
Bar 21: Higher volume. Test again if it can be a new P1. True. We assign a new P1.
Bar 22: Wait
Bar 23: Retest for P1. Result: False. Next we test for T1. Result: True. We assign a T1.
Bar 24: Price would not give permission to measure but volume does. We test in reverse cron... T1? False. P1? False. Next... P2? True.
So far so good?
Let's assume somebody takes this chart and starts the category test procedure. They then assign a P1 to bar 18 because....? Because that's where everything starts, right? And if we don't know where we are we simply assume and start with a P1.
Bar 19 is higher volume. We need to re-check. Is this a P1? Could be. We assign a new P1. At the same time we note the limitation of the platform to de-gap intrabar.
Bar 20: Wait
Bar 21: Higher volume. Test again if it can be a new P1. True. We assign a new P1.
Bar 22: Wait
Bar 23: Retest for P1. Result: False. Next we test for T1. Result: True. We assign a T1.
Bar 24: Price would not give permission to measure but volume does. We test in reverse cron... T1? False. P1? False. Next... P2? True.
So far so good?
Quote from jack hershey:
This thread is about the independent variable, volume.
The mind deals with three operators: space, shapes, and movement.
I left the annotating on the independent variable blank except for arrows to show the relative volume, a number (3) to show something begininng, and a blue zone to start a retro process.
One of the four pillars of trading involves getting permission to measure the independent variable. I use color for this and one symbol as THE signal for making the measurement. Look for the various colors of the "U's".
Bar 32... this seems to be the 8th bar of a lateral that started on bar 25. Bar 33 is still within the shadows of bar 25 but you don't seem to consider it anymore. Now I can see two possible reasons: a) You simply say lat 8 is the maximum. After that you need to go back to the start of the lateral and analyze a subfractal. b) Bar 33 was a P1.
It seems like a short cut for people that are blind. One thing I know, judging where others fail and where at times I was a bit stuck.
Most are blind and they need to see. I dont get it, I would think that they would be open but your teaching style indicates that this may not be the case.
For some the mind needs to fidget, keeping the mind occupied is a key for them. They also like to do math or draw lines or what ever. For the closed mind and probably yet another mind that is more relaxed profits can possibly made bar by bar. It may not be necessary. It seems like one can take a simple idea and tweak it to make it better and better. This is maximizing the edge.
But all that is really needed is the edge unless one bumps in to bad luck. Sure every name we give to a bar makes us more precise. Traders become glued to their screen trying to beat some shmuck that takes a nice long lunch.
"Winning" means there is an edge. It may be CW but generally an edge can be isolated. Some times the edge is 3 things, in this case any one will bring higher profit to one. One of the hardest way to learn the market is the JH way, even at that it has ones nose glued to the screen they do not see what it is based on.
Assume the price volume relation is one that is simple: If there is more orders and price is not moving something is up. I wonder if JH fan would see this? if it did exist?
I have nothing against it, If it works great. I would not know. I guess if a certain number of my theories were correct it should work.
The thread may go to chitchat if you like it to, I am not a majority here.
(well who knows)
Lets see if minds stuck and only point one way, not that I could change that, everything has its reasons and no fly by night trader is going to change a finely tuned system.
You seem to indicate that my chart is a worthless show. I would agree. there are many things missing.
I would like to add up total volume in one phase and compare it to another. I would like to know how many people clicked the button that caused the red font and green font in certain areas only.
Having it a better format may help for example If is could count transactions from a certain time to yet another. Is there a short cut (vs a long cut) one could take to dive in to this ?
Keep in mind it is not my primary focus at the time unless I see more potential here then elsewhere. walking around aimlessly is not always a bad thing. Nice too see time to time it brings me here.
Most are blind and they need to see. I dont get it, I would think that they would be open but your teaching style indicates that this may not be the case.
For some the mind needs to fidget, keeping the mind occupied is a key for them. They also like to do math or draw lines or what ever. For the closed mind and probably yet another mind that is more relaxed profits can possibly made bar by bar. It may not be necessary. It seems like one can take a simple idea and tweak it to make it better and better. This is maximizing the edge.
But all that is really needed is the edge unless one bumps in to bad luck. Sure every name we give to a bar makes us more precise. Traders become glued to their screen trying to beat some shmuck that takes a nice long lunch.
"Winning" means there is an edge. It may be CW but generally an edge can be isolated. Some times the edge is 3 things, in this case any one will bring higher profit to one. One of the hardest way to learn the market is the JH way, even at that it has ones nose glued to the screen they do not see what it is based on.
Assume the price volume relation is one that is simple: If there is more orders and price is not moving something is up. I wonder if JH fan would see this? if it did exist?
I have nothing against it, If it works great. I would not know. I guess if a certain number of my theories were correct it should work.
The thread may go to chitchat if you like it to, I am not a majority here.
(well who knows)
Lets see if minds stuck and only point one way, not that I could change that, everything has its reasons and no fly by night trader is going to change a finely tuned system.
You seem to indicate that my chart is a worthless show. I would agree. there are many things missing.
I would like to add up total volume in one phase and compare it to another. I would like to know how many people clicked the button that caused the red font and green font in certain areas only.
Having it a better format may help for example If is could count transactions from a certain time to yet another. Is there a short cut (vs a long cut) one could take to dive in to this ?
Keep in mind it is not my primary focus at the time unless I see more potential here then elsewhere. walking around aimlessly is not always a bad thing. Nice too see time to time it brings me here.
Quote from frenchfry:
The chart starts and ends somewhere in the middle. Next time please right click on the chart and select "Screen capture (this chart only)".
Let's assume somebody takes this chart and starts the category test procedure. They then assign a P1 to bar 18 because....? Because that's where everything starts, right? And if we don't know where we are we simply assume and start with a P1.
Bar 19 is higher volume. We need to re-check. Is this a P1? Could be. We assign a new P1. At the same time we note the limitation of the platform to de-gap intrabar.
Bar 20: Wait
Bar 21: Higher volume. Test again if it can be a new P1. True. We assign a new P1.
Bar 22: Wait
Bar 23: Retest for P1. Result: False. Next we test for T1. Result: True. We assign a T1.
Bar 24: Price would not give permission to measure but volume does. We test in reverse cron... T1? False. P1? False. Next... P2? True.
So far so good?
I feel that the work is incomplete for the 6 or so bars I dont know the system at all. but this seems to be a small part of a much bigger picture.
Quote from frenchfry:
Bar 32... this seems to be the 8th bar of a lateral that started on bar 25. Bar 33 is still within the shadows of bar 25 but you don't seem to consider it anymore. Now I can see two possible reasons: a) You simply say lat 8 is the maximum. After that you need to go back to the start of the lateral and analyze a subfractal. b) Bar 33 was a P1.
here is the practice I have mentioned to you:
The lateral begins as a three bar form. On charts, the first two bars have boxes that are filled with colors that represent the price internal case.
If the second bar of such an internal is larger than the first in volume, the second bar is measured.
the completion of a seven bar lateral causes a check to be made on the sub fractal of the lateral. The express purpose is to be sure that the sentiment principle is being handled at all times. Money cannot be made in laterals; that is why they exist.
On this example you present, there is a condition that follows the "second bar of the internal volume test" for lateral bars. Before lat7 and including lat7, a volume greater than bar 1 of the lateral is compared in real time to subsequent bars. Here in your example, the pay off is bar 30, which is lat6. This End Effect may be known to you by now.
At this measurement of volume, the reversal is short to long.
As the blue zone goes on the chart (at end of lat7), the subfractal comes under consideration.
By lat8, you are measuring each and very bar. This makes bar 32 a P1 of a long trend by assignment.
Ordinarily a 9 appears above the bar 33 and a lack of numerals above following bars after lat11 indicates a lat BO. On the chart you have BO's that would have been shown in place of lat4, lat5 and lat6 as filled in circles or triangles of certain colors.
In effect this automates the "permission" to test volume completely. The "U's" are helpers in this respect. I haven't cleaned up the details on getting rid of somethings that still show because I "crash" TN by exceding its capacity. I only venture to add more by keeping stuff at a minimum and saving templates with each addition.
Bar 38 is an accelerated third P1, so this End Effect causes a reversal from long to short at that bar. Since you know the test on that bar from its beginning, you carve the turn based upon the "certainty" at the time the certainty occurs.
The next reversal is on bar 43 (short to long).
Trading SCT is done in a noiseless, flawless, non-anomaly context. These last three reversals represent 12 points per contract over 90 minutes or 1 1/2 times the opening range of the day.
thanks for posting.
Quote from frenchfry:
The chart starts and ends somewhere in the middle. Next time please right click on the chart and select "Screen capture (this chart only)".
Let's assume somebody takes this chart and starts the category test procedure. They then assign a P1 to bar 18 because....? Because that's where everything starts, right? And if we don't know where we are we simply assume and start with a P1.
Bar 19 is higher volume. We need to re-check. Is this a P1? Could be. We assign a new P1. At the same time we note the limitation of the platform to de-gap intrabar.
Bar 20: Wait
Bar 21: Higher volume. Test again if it can be a new P1. True. We assign a new P1.
Bar 22: Wait
Bar 23: Retest for P1. Result: False. Next we test for T1. Result: True. We assign a T1.
Bar 24: Price would not give permission to measure but volume does. We test in reverse cron... T1? False. P1? False. Next... P2? True.
So far so good?
Yes.
Start anywhere SCT is self correcting.
Just a note on trading.
To trade during RTH using a hold/reversal strategy, each day begins with bar 1 of RTH.
The intial entry is known from the prior day.
There is a lot of internening time between the close and the Earth does most of a rotation. News can interupt the next day's opening. If so allowances are made by waiting until the "news effect" is over.
Successful trading means that a trader is NOT a full time trader. There is no need to trade full time when trading involves taking the full offer of the market.
Also on the way to expertise, there are times when a person does not "know that he knows". A set of emotional symptoms convey this to the trader. (see CW in the market emotional symptoms).
I use a percent of capital when in the market. It is 94% as determined by bar volatility and not wanting to exceed margin requirements.
From the market close the prior day, it is precisely known just what stage a trend has reached. You completed log completely describes this context.
Bar 1 relatively speaking is handled from the established and complete set of information.
Therefore, the values of bar 1 are used to optimize the opening entry.
The name I use for this is carry over. For many years I proveded tis info by email. Those who recieved the email would pass the email along. I had seven sets of ddresses in order to not exceed the email delivery capacitty.
Today, we have the web. So if anyone posts the carry over on a daily basis I will comment upon your concluded context.
Sometimes I post illustrations. Usually I never post the volume annotaions. But ocasionally I wil post a series of reversals in order that a reader can "fill in the treend test measurements between the reversals. So Far I have provided all the End Effects and repeatedly.
I keep a set of binders for all the End Effects. In each end effect set I keep six of the best examples.
The key to successful trading is repetitions of drills.
The market is very slow compared to the mind. By going the the correct place, a person can always see the small information set that is requred. In this way, he casts aside all the chaff and focusses just on the seeds.
As time passes, only one question has to be answered: "Am I working purposefully?"
For SCT, everyone has the 11 elements of the independent variable. Everyone has the 10 cases of price. You can highlight these on your price pane so you have immediate reference to the space, shape and movement of the shape.
You have the volume test procedure to use on the specified log that you have.
Everyone knows that when a trend is not continuing, then an End Effect is present. Trends continue as long as there is something true to log from the test procedure.
A trend violation, immediately ends a trend.
Holding and reversing as a routine has been explained. The routine for monitoring and analysis is MADA and is NOT the betting and hoping of OODA of CW.
Up/Down is never used for price containers. Dominant is right to left; non dominant is left to right.
There is only one pattern; It is named: The Pattern".
There are 10 to 12 leading indicators of price.
The trader fills his mind with pieces that fit together. The mind cannot be erased.
In a lifetime you get one chance to do it correctly. If you acquire beliefs that are mistaken, then your mind cannot work properly when it is doing its nightly job of merging your subconscious into the sinews of your conscious mind.
Trading involves the entwining of 5 OOE's to form a trunk. The mind builds "shortcuts" among these sinews aand within each sinew. Your mind has 1/1000 the consciousness compared to the subconsciousness which dominates the mind's processing.
You do nothing consciously. Everything you do is a subconsciously successful process. your reading of this is done subconsciously. You do not have a consious step by step process you follow to read.
Trading to take the full offer of the market becomes a continuous subconscious process that gives you the full offe once you hqave done the work to build your mind to a fully differentiated state (A complete long term spectrum exists).
you know when your mind is able to complete te merging as you sleep. It has done this when you begin to noticee that your mind raises questions when you awaken each day.
Your mind deals with many things. It develops many spectrums. And there are many things you have given up trying to do. Your mind got fouled up at some point and, therefore, iit cannot any longer do the merging in that field while you sleep.
Your mind is very powerful and almost totally unused.
Make a plan of action. Begin to work purposefully.
Watch Temple Grandin get her engineering drawings done in five days after she is told it would take two weeks to do them.
Reading does not allow you to learn anything. Get a sheet of paper and an eraser and a pencil. Make a bar on the sheet of paper. One bar means nothing. Make another bar. Now you know the basis of how markets work..... RDBMS .... Was that easy? Yes ....
To trade during RTH using a hold/reversal strategy, each day begins with bar 1 of RTH.
The intial entry is known from the prior day.
There is a lot of internening time between the close and the Earth does most of a rotation. News can interupt the next day's opening. If so allowances are made by waiting until the "news effect" is over.
Successful trading means that a trader is NOT a full time trader. There is no need to trade full time when trading involves taking the full offer of the market.
Also on the way to expertise, there are times when a person does not "know that he knows". A set of emotional symptoms convey this to the trader. (see CW in the market emotional symptoms).
I use a percent of capital when in the market. It is 94% as determined by bar volatility and not wanting to exceed margin requirements.
From the market close the prior day, it is precisely known just what stage a trend has reached. You completed log completely describes this context.
Bar 1 relatively speaking is handled from the established and complete set of information.
Therefore, the values of bar 1 are used to optimize the opening entry.
The name I use for this is carry over. For many years I proveded tis info by email. Those who recieved the email would pass the email along. I had seven sets of ddresses in order to not exceed the email delivery capacitty.
Today, we have the web. So if anyone posts the carry over on a daily basis I will comment upon your concluded context.
Sometimes I post illustrations. Usually I never post the volume annotaions. But ocasionally I wil post a series of reversals in order that a reader can "fill in the treend test measurements between the reversals. So Far I have provided all the End Effects and repeatedly.
I keep a set of binders for all the End Effects. In each end effect set I keep six of the best examples.
The key to successful trading is repetitions of drills.
The market is very slow compared to the mind. By going the the correct place, a person can always see the small information set that is requred. In this way, he casts aside all the chaff and focusses just on the seeds.
As time passes, only one question has to be answered: "Am I working purposefully?"
For SCT, everyone has the 11 elements of the independent variable. Everyone has the 10 cases of price. You can highlight these on your price pane so you have immediate reference to the space, shape and movement of the shape.
You have the volume test procedure to use on the specified log that you have.
Everyone knows that when a trend is not continuing, then an End Effect is present. Trends continue as long as there is something true to log from the test procedure.
A trend violation, immediately ends a trend.
Holding and reversing as a routine has been explained. The routine for monitoring and analysis is MADA and is NOT the betting and hoping of OODA of CW.
Up/Down is never used for price containers. Dominant is right to left; non dominant is left to right.
There is only one pattern; It is named: The Pattern".
There are 10 to 12 leading indicators of price.
The trader fills his mind with pieces that fit together. The mind cannot be erased.
In a lifetime you get one chance to do it correctly. If you acquire beliefs that are mistaken, then your mind cannot work properly when it is doing its nightly job of merging your subconscious into the sinews of your conscious mind.
Trading involves the entwining of 5 OOE's to form a trunk. The mind builds "shortcuts" among these sinews aand within each sinew. Your mind has 1/1000 the consciousness compared to the subconsciousness which dominates the mind's processing.
You do nothing consciously. Everything you do is a subconsciously successful process. your reading of this is done subconsciously. You do not have a consious step by step process you follow to read.
Trading to take the full offer of the market becomes a continuous subconscious process that gives you the full offe once you hqave done the work to build your mind to a fully differentiated state (A complete long term spectrum exists).
you know when your mind is able to complete te merging as you sleep. It has done this when you begin to noticee that your mind raises questions when you awaken each day.
Your mind deals with many things. It develops many spectrums. And there are many things you have given up trying to do. Your mind got fouled up at some point and, therefore, iit cannot any longer do the merging in that field while you sleep.
Your mind is very powerful and almost totally unused.
Make a plan of action. Begin to work purposefully.
Watch Temple Grandin get her engineering drawings done in five days after she is told it would take two weeks to do them.
Reading does not allow you to learn anything. Get a sheet of paper and an eraser and a pencil. Make a bar on the sheet of paper. One bar means nothing. Make another bar. Now you know the basis of how markets work..... RDBMS .... Was that easy? Yes ....