Volume

from jack hershey:


65MA means a 65day arithmetic Moving Average.

My invention, PRV, means ProRata Volume. Just click on your volume pane and add PRV as a volume highlight.
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I went to my volume pane and all that popped up was:
Price and volume trend and
Price volume rank
 
Quote from TheMagican:

:D :D :D

drills baby,ya know
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Im glad you are entertained, but drills are a key to learning. Avoiding it with out knowing how to program can mean guaranteed failure to a learning trader. I'm sure many would agree.... Unless you are Nostradamus ! :)
 
Quote from traitor786:

It was just a little question, you did not have to type all that up.It was something I was wondering about.

I'm actually a bit more curious to see some channels. On a daily view that shows a smaller channel starting near Nov 16. But its Ok its not a big deal

The "mentor" student relationship is a very funny one. Especially when it is seemingly free. Students see that it is really a one way street in their favour, at least to begin with. As the mentor spends time, the student spends more time, rightfully so. An assumption is made that a mentor has better things to do then wast his time helping people. So their time is valued, again rightfully so.

Because of the benefit to the student, as compared to the mentor, respect also goes one way.

I came with an open mind, I may have talked about previous things but my mind was ready to absorb and do tasks. If for some reason your goal was to help me, then you failed. As I did too. But there is no reason for your goal to single me out specifically. More likely, it is to play numbers and help as many as you can.

The problem with the mentor student relationship is that it is fare if it works out, the student wins and should rightfully give a % to the mentor and also to the mentors cause at the very least as it will never be enough to repay the benefits obtained.

But nothing is free if money was taken out of the relationship from the beginning then the mentor has the right to also withhold something.

In general, again not here (I have no idea) a mentor can take advantage of the missing element and even things out by other means.

This is where I lose the focus and interest to dive through your work. In all honesty, if I was too allow myself to fall in to such a situation, I would prefer it to be with you. Not only because your system follows the moral structure of a trading system I wish to one day have, but also cause you seem like a nice guy,despite your ending comment (which is allowable due to the imbalance in the relationship.)

Only desperation and closed mindedness can fill the gap of missing elements. So the those benefit from your work. The smart seem to get lost ... unless you have some thing up your sleeve.

SO I have 100 and 150 page instructions, and i glanced through them. I also have other websites where other people try to explain ideas on your behalf and I also have what may be another younger version of you that was not as vague. Along with this is posts were you were clearer then you are at ones onset.

In actuality, the present version of you is the least helpful to trading, but it is the one that is needed to bring one to the right place. I have assumed that the present version is not where answers will come from.

The present you is where to go strictly to get reoriented. I do not need reorientation right now, I am avoiding it for the time being, Like a student is told to avoid detractions.

Your system is better then my mess. but my mess carry s within in my own responsibility. A simple thing, but without that, failure can lead down a path that is irreversible for some.

Say what you will. I know you cant agree with a single statement and really you must say what you must say or do what you must do.

You once told me that a needed conversation was needed. I wonder why you mentioned this prematurely if you deemed it was too early.

Any ways again i think your intentions are all good and that people will be better off following you, I have little to no reason to assume the worst. and if you help people and there is a bad side, clearly the good side will out weigh it. But I think you are all good all around.

And I recognise I am learning and making mistakes. Which are my mistakes and what is right only the markets will tell me how dumb I am.

I avoid replying to some of your posts cause I do not want to comment on your tone, it is your right and you deserve to do as you please. Only cause you are a nice guy do I not reciprocate. If this is the only cost then it is fine. A student should swallow their pride and follow while being kicked in the but if they deviate.

Have a good week end dude
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I hope a lot of people read your response.

You made my day.
 
Quote from traitor786:

It was just a little question, you did not have to type all that up.It was something I was wondering about.

I'm actually a bit more curious to see some channels. On a daily view that shows a smaller channel starting near Nov 16. But its Ok its not a big deal

The "mentor" student relationship is a very funny one. Especially when it is seemingly free. Students see that it is really a one way street in their favour, at least to begin with. As the mentor spends time, the student spends more time, rightfully so. An assumption is made that a mentor has better things to do then wast his time helping people. So their time is valued, again rightfully so.

Because of the benefit to the student, as compared to the mentor, respect also goes one way.

I came with an open mind, I may have talked about previous things but my mind was ready to absorb and do tasks. If for some reason your goal was to help me, then you failed. As I did too. But there is no reason for your goal to single me out specifically. More likely, it is to play numbers and help as many as you can.

The problem with the mentor student relationship is that it is fare if it works out, the student wins and should rightfully give a % to the mentor and also to the mentors cause at the very least as it will never be enough to repay the benefits obtained.

But nothing is free if money was taken out of the relationship from the beginning then the mentor has the right to also withhold something.

In general, again not here (I have no idea) a mentor can take advantage of the missing element and even things out by other means.

This is where I lose the focus and interest to dive through your work. In all honesty, if I was too allow myself to fall in to such a situation, I would prefer it to be with you. Not only because your system follows the moral structure of a trading system I wish to one day have, but also cause you seem like a nice guy,despite your ending comment (which is allowable due to the imbalance in the relationship.)

Only desperation and closed mindedness can fill the gap of missing elements. So the those benefit from your work. The smart seem to get lost ... unless you have some thing up your sleeve.

SO I have 100 and 150 page instructions, and i glanced through them. I also have other websites where other people try to explain ideas on your behalf and I also have what may be another younger version of you that was not as vague. Along with this is posts were you were clearer then you are at ones onset.

In actuality, the present version of you is the least helpful to trading, but it is the one that is needed to bring one to the right place. I have assumed that the present version is not where answers will come from.

The present you is where to go strictly to get reoriented. I do not need reorientation right now, I am avoiding it for the time being, Like a student is told to avoid detractions.

Your system is better then my mess. but my mess carry s within in my own responsibility. A simple thing, but without that, failure can lead down a path that is irreversible for some.

Say what you will. I know you cant agree with a single statement and really you must say what you must say or do what you must do.

You once told me that a needed conversation was needed. I wonder why you mentioned this prematurely if you deemed it was too early.

Any ways again i think your intentions are all good and that people will be better off following you, I have little to no reason to assume the worst. and if you help people and there is a bad side, clearly the good side will out weigh it. But I think you are all good all around.

And I recognise I am learning and making mistakes. Which are my mistakes and what is right only the markets will tell me how dumb I am.

I avoid replying to some of your posts cause I do not want to comment on your tone, it is your right and you deserve to do as you please. Only cause you are a nice guy do I not reciprocate. If this is the only cost then it is fine. A student should swallow their pride and follow while being kicked in the but if they deviate.

Have a good week end dude
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The missing elements will never appear and have never been revealled because the system is a fraud. You can not reduce an open system like the market to a mathematical system. The market is not a closed linear causal mechanical system. Each moment is a new beginning. When there is a terrorist attack and the market reacts how would your channels have predicted this. This is an extreme example but this is exactly how the market works.....news, roumers , earning reports, fat finger, endless new information entering the market impacting the supply and demand dynamic. Trying to follow and measure this using a mathematical model will not give you unlimited predictive power. Your channels will not always make sense.

Yet all you need is price and volume. The market reacts and reacts to the reaction. There is nothing else just the endless cycling of supply and demand. You can watch it all unfold when you understand this simple dynamic. You can build a successful system based on supply and demand.
The reason jacks followers try so hard and get nowhere is because they reach a point where the mathematical approach ends. You will need to come up with a special rule at infinitum and the system will become infinitely complex..And here Jack resorts to his conniving ways, being vague, tell you to develop your mind, change rules, introduce new BS. It is so simple even a fifth grader can get it yet no one ever has. He is playing you in a clever way, he appeals to you and blinds you with the lure of the holy grail. Once he has you hooked you will never give up and your ability to stay critical and objective is mortally compromised. He has your emotional brain controlling your rational brain. You will overlook even the most obvious and you will see his faults as your own. The fact that you have fallen for him is a sign that you will probably never become a successful trader.
You seem like a nice person but stop being naive and a little Hershey's kiss. Wake up before its too late and you become the full size nutty Hershey.
 
Quote from jack hershey:

I hope a lot of people read your response.

You made my day.
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I doubt it.He posts the same abracadabra as you do.You both are worth each other.
 
Quote from iamdom:

The missing elements will never appear and have never been revealled because the system is a fraud. You can not reduce an open system like the market to a mathematical system. The market is not a closed linear causal mechanical system. Each moment is a new beginning. When there is a terrorist attack and the market reacts how would your channels have predicted this. This is an extreme example but this is exactly how the market works.....news, roumers , earning reports, fat finger, endless new information entering the market impacting the supply and demand dynamic. Trying to follow and measure this using a mathematical model will not give you unlimited predictive power. Your channels will not always make sense.

Yet all you need is price and volume. The market reacts and reacts to the reaction. There is nothing else just the endless cycling of supply and demand. You can watch it all unfold when you understand this simple dynamic. You can build a successful system based on supply and demand.
The reason jacks followers try so hard and get nowhere is because they reach a point where the mathematical approach ends. You will need to come up with a special rule at infinitum and the system will become infinitely complex..And here Jack resorts to his conniving ways, being vague, tell you to develop your mind, change rules, introduce new BS. It is so simple even a fifth grader can get it yet no one ever has. He is playing you in a clever way, he appeals to you and blinds you with the lure of the holy grail. Once he has you hooked you will never give up and your ability to stay critical and objective is mortally compromised. He has your emotional brain controlling your rational brain. You will overlook even the most obvious and you will see his faults as your own. The fact that you have fallen for him is a sign that you will probably never become a successful trader.
You seem like a nice person but stop being naive and a little Hershey's kiss. Wake up before its too late and you become the full size nutty Hershey.
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Absolutely.Trading is about to be passive and wait to respond to provocations instead of provoking responses(hershey wise).
 
Quote from iamdom:

The missing elements will never appear and have never been revealled because the system is a fraud. You can not reduce an open system like the market to a mathematical system. The market is not a closed linear causal mechanical system. Each moment is a new beginning. When there is a terrorist attack and the market reacts how would your channels have predicted this. This is an extreme example but this is exactly how the market works.....news, roumers , earning reports, fat finger, endless new information entering the market impacting the supply and demand dynamic. Trying to follow and measure this using a mathematical model will not give you unlimited predictive power. Your channels will not always make sense.

Yet all you need is price and volume. The market reacts and reacts to the reaction. There is nothing else just the endless cycling of supply and demand. You can watch it all unfold when you understand this simple dynamic. You can build a successful system based on supply and demand.
The reason jacks followers try so hard and get nowhere is because they reach a point where the mathematical approach ends. You will need to come up with a special rule at infinitum and the system will become infinitely complex..And here Jack resorts to his conniving ways, being vague, tell you to develop your mind, change rules, introduce new BS. It is so simple even a fifth grader can get it yet no one ever has. He is playing you in a clever way, he appeals to you and blinds you with the lure of the holy grail. Once he has you hooked you will never give up and your ability to stay critical and objective is mortally compromised. He has your emotional brain controlling your rational brain. You will overlook even the most obvious and you will see his faults as your own. The fact that you have fallen for him is a sign that you will probably never become a successful trader.
You seem like a nice person but stop being naive and a little Hershey's kiss. Wake up before its too late and you become the full size nutty Hershey.
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There are many ways to make money in markets.

RDBMS is the system I feel has fewer moving parts.

I use 56 parts and, for me, I state them in an algebrais manner that includes using a "failsafe" complete expression for each part.

I know you have created an infinite orientation for yourself.

Because I have been around for a while, I have seen conditions, situations and circumstances where the markets are going through rapid change in the dependent variable. I have also seen markets closed by their operators.

Because I use the independent variable as a leading indicator of the dependent variable, I feel supported, comfortable and confident when I am in the markets (from the open to change of margin daily).

You believe I use just channels; they work effectively and efficiently. I also use additional degrees of freedom. For many many years I have stated that I find there are about 70 degrees of freedom that are useful.

Below is a basic outline of the scope and bounds of what I use successfully.

I carry over from day to day. All relative contexts must be degapped all the time. This simplifies the mathematics (Algebra).

I measure the trend before I measure End Effects.

Price serves to tell me when I have permission to measure the independent variable. It also tells me when I have to wait in my position.

The independent measure is done in three parts as a sequence:

1. determine if the volume element is repeating,
2. determine if the volume element is already part of the trend in progress.
3. determine if the next element in a trend is just occurring.

The above gives me the trend context which I keep track of in four ways.

Thus, in the absence of a trending context, I use a uniquely defined and uniquely possible End Effect for that moment.

The occurance of an End Effect, for me, is a signal to reverse.

QED.

You mention several forms of market disturbances.

For me, in these cases, I become aware mathematically and visually because of pane hi-lighting during the formation of the current slug of information (I use 300 second slugs, nominally)

These events all have subtle forerunners. I become aware of these the same way.

Thus, I have made arrangements with the owners/operators of my trading platform. So far, my greatest single expense in the poorest handled account has been 4,400 dollars. For whatever reason most account net positive under such circumstances.

Again there are many many ways of trading successfully.

4 out of 5 persons who glance or even look at what I recommend, reject it. This means I have a lot of acceptance. If you know of any approach that has more acceptance, please feel free to mention it. The above information may be helpful to you for making a comparison.

This thread was entitled "volume". The OP did what he does. The thread has little residual value.
 
Quote from jack hershey:

Dr. Hu
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Jack,

I noticed you mentioned the Dr. Hu document again this past weekend. Would you consider trying again to post the document here?

-river
 
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