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Bush Administration Refuses To Condemn Saudi Court’s Punishment Of Gang Rape Victim

Think Progress
Thursday November 22, 2007

In his second inaugural address, President Bush stridently declared that his administration would not compromise on its demand for basic human rights:

We will persistently clarify the choice before every ruler and every nation: The moral choice between oppression, which is always wrong, and freedom, which is eternally right. America will not pretend…that women welcome humiliation and servitude.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice referred to these goals as the “non-negotiable demands of human dignity.” But a recent Saudi court decision has shown the administration very willing to fold when this rhetoric is tested.

A week ago, a Saudi appeals court increased the punishment for the female victim of a gang rape. The woman, who had been appealing her original sentence of 90 lashes, was sentenced to six months in prison and 200 lashes after her appeal.

The Saudi judges more than doubled the punishment for the victim because of “her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.” The Saudi Justice Ministry confirmed that the stiffer sentence handed out on appeal stemmed from the fact that the victim had gone to the media with her story. “Media may have adverse effects on the other parties involved in the case,” a statement said.

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Asked to offer the administration’s position on the court ruling, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said on Monday that the administration was “astonished,” but had “nothing else to offer“:

QUESTION: A very quick question also from this morning. Your comment, please, on — in reaction to the young Saudi woman having her sentence more than doubled the –

MR. MCCORMACK: Right, yeah. I saw the news reports and I guess the first thing to say is, while this is a judicial procedure, part of a judicial procedure overseas in the courts of a sovereign country, that said, I think that most would find this relatively astonishing that something like this happened. So while it’s very difficult to offer — you know, offer any detailed comment about the situation, I think most people would really be quite astonished by the situation.

QUESTION: Would you like the Saudi authorities to reconsider it or do you encourage them to do that?

MR. MCCORMACK: Look, you know, again, I can’t get involved in specific court cases in Saudi Arabia dealing with its own citizens, but most — I think most people here would be quite surprised to learn of the circumstances and then the punishment meted out.

QUESTION: Does that mean that the State Department is astonished by it, too?

MR. MCCORMACK: I’ll leave the answer where it –

QUESTION: Well, what does “most people” mean? I mean, most of who?

MR. MCCORMACK: I would just leave — I don’t have anything else to offer.

Yesterday, McCormack was asked if the administration’s silence was “driven by a desire not to offend Saudi Arabia as a close ally.” “No, it’s — no, that’s not it at all,” he claimed, but then acknowledged the administration has yet to convey its “astonishment” directly to the Saudis. “I am not aware of any direct contact with the Saudis on this issue,” he said.

Apparently, there is some negotiability in Bush’s demands for human freedom.

UPDATE: The Muslim American Society Freedom called the court ruling “a clear violation of the compassion and mercy taught by the religion of Islam.”

UPDATE II: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) states, “I urge President Bush to call on King Abdullah to cancel the ruling and drop all charges against this woman.” In a letter to Condoleezza Rice, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) wrote, “I strongly urge the Department of State to condemn this ruling.” Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) and John Edwards released statements expressing their outrage.

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Quote from dddooo:

Lest we forget they are at war with their own women:

An appeal court in Saudi Arabia has doubled the number of lashes and added a jail sentence as punishment for a woman who was gang-raped. The victim was initially punished for violating laws on segregation of the sexes - she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack. When she appealed, the judges said she had been attempting to use the media to influence them.
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She was initially sentenced to 90 lashes for being in the car of a strange man. On appeal, the Arab News reported that the punishment was not reduced but increased to 200 lashes and a six-month prison sentence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7096814.stm

 

[dddooo]

Quote from Bitstream:

Bush Administration Refuses To Condemn Saudi Court’s Punishment Of Gang Rape Victim

You have not condemned the Saudi Court either, have you? Just like you've never condemned terrorism, suicide bombers, attacks on civilians, muslim extremism and lots of other things. In fact the only thing you've been doing was condemning the US and Israel regardless of what they did. You should not criticize Bush, you're as dumb as he is, your views are even more inflexible, biased, simplistic and one-sided than his.

 

[chuck.ells]

[sarcasm] Wow Bit, someone thinks you're as powerful, or more powerful than the whole of the US and Israeli governments combined.
You, and you alone could change the direction of the world if only you would condemn some middle east country court.

According to someone?, you are almost god like.[/sarcasm]

 

[dddooo]

Quote from chuck.ells:

[sarcasm] Wow Bit, someone thinks you're as powerful, or more powerful than the whole of the US and Israeli governments combined.
You, and you alone could change the direction of the world if only you would condemn some middle east country court.

According to someone?, you are almost god like.[/sarcasm]

Nah, you're reading too much into it. Someone thinks bitstream is dumber than Bush, nothing more, nothing less. It has nothing to do with bistream being powerful, in fact I think he is quite impotent - just a poor Italian immigrant in the UK desperately and unsuccessfully trying to fit in.

I certainly did not expect anyone to think that comparing someone's stupidity with the stupidity of Bush automatically equates that person's power with the power of the United States and Israel. I guess I was wrong and should never underestimate the stupidity of some posters.

Nevertheless let me try to explain my point - the person who has never criticized Islam, Sharia law, the treatment of women in the muslim world etc, the person who has spent his life bashing everything western and excusing all aspects of islamic extremism is not in a position to attack Bush's refusal to criticize them.

 

[Bitstream]

Quote from chuck.ells:

[sarcasm] Wow Bit, someone thinks you're as powerful, or more powerful than the whole of the US and Israeli governments combined.
You, and you alone could change the direction of the world if only you would condemn some middle east country court.

According to someone?, you are almost god like.[/sarcasm]

that guy is a first class moron. likely an underachiever for him making baseless and childish insinuations is a typical trait.
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pathetic figure.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from Bitstream:

that guy is a first class moron. likely an underachiever

Hmm, I always thought conspiracy theorists and anti-semites were losers and underachievers. Could I have been wrong?

 

[version77]

Quote from tradeslikagod:

You fundamentalist Christians are so ridiculous, did it never occur to you that if god is omnipotent as you say then he cannot possibly have an adversary, it defies logic?

Just another guilt/scare tactic by the church to fleece the flock

You must of been fleeced by your mother...