Vitamin D and Immunity... a consideration for cold/flu season + covid
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Then there is the science...
Vitamin C, D and Zinc do not Lessen Your Chance of Dying From Covid-19: Study
While these supplements have also been dubbed as an alternative against proven vaccines, researchers at The University of Toledo in Ohio, the US, said there's been little evidence.
https://www.india.com/health/vitami...-chance-of-dying-from-covid-19-study-5250586/
Have you been eating your daily dose of immune-boosting supplements to reduce the risk of Covid-19? Well, according to a new study it may not help much. In view of several studies claiming the efficacy of vitamins against Covid-19, new research proves that taking immune-boosting supplements such as vitamin C, D and zinc do not lessen your chance of dying from the virus.
While these supplements have also been dubbed as an alternative against proven vaccines, researchers at The University of Toledo in Ohio, the US, said there’s been little evidence.
“A lot of people have this misconception that if you load up on zinc, vitamin D or C, it can help the clinical outcome of Covid-19,” said Dr Azizullah Beran, an internal medicine resident at the University’s College of Medicine and Life Sciences.
“That hasn’t been shown to be true,” Beran added.
In the study, published in the journal Clinical Nutrition ESPEN, the team reviewed 26 peer-reviewed studies from around the globe that included more than 5,600 hospitalised Covid patients.
The analysis found no reduction in mortality for those being treated with vitamin D, C or zinc compared to patients who did not receive one of these three supplements.
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My grandmother and sometimes my mom would tell my siblings and me that Vitamins were a scam. They strongly believed that if you eat a routine healthy meal and cut out the junk food...
- You're good to go.
Also, I learned that if we're healthy and there's no deficiency...taking supplements will not be helpful because the body has a wonderful way of flushing out the excess before it accumulates.
In contrast, if we're in fact deficient...I strongly believe supplements are helpful to strengthen the immune system prior to infection and during a fight with an infection for those deficient in critical nutrients (e.g. during a fever).
Yet, the best nutrients are in fact real foods rich in deficient nutrients.
- Have you ever noticed some food products contain enriched nutrients while the same brand products sold in a different country don't have the enriched nutrient ?
Anyways, Vitamins have always been viewed as quasi-medicine but hospitals do use them in combo with other supportive medical treatments against disease especially when the body is dangerously low on the critical nutrient.
I learned from nutritionists when I competed in rowing to take Vitamin C, B and eat a basket full of strawberries before and during competition as a way to flush out the lactic acid in the muscles to minimize pain and aid in fast recovery.
It's a well-known proof in a different situation (healthy body recovery from muscle fatigue) is why I think some people try to apply it to fighting diseases / illnesses...
They see the benefits in one situation and then they apply it to something else that's completely different such as Vitamin C when we have a bad cold or to minimize the severity of Covid.
Anyways, when it involves fighting diseases...I can see Vitamins being useful if we're deficient in a critical nutrient for fighting the illness. By the way, there have been peer-reviewed research and studies from the summer of 2021 that came to the same conclusion about supplements shouldn't be used to replace vaccines nor to compensate for not wearing a face mask.
Today, we now know via verifiable real-world data that vaccines are very helpful in reducing the severity of a Covid illness. It may easily change if a Variant of Concern shows up that's deadlier than Omicron or Delta before science gets a chance to change the formula in the vaccines to fight against the new Variant of Concern.
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That is baloney. Just google people dying with much lower level of vit D. Not to mention fat people have a problem with vit D, and guess what? They are dying in much bigger numbers. That being said, vit D and Zinc more like prevention, not a treatment. Once you are feeling that bad that you need hospitalization, that is not the time to take it. But if you do, you have to take Quercetin with the Zinc.
So bad science, bad data. Nobody actually made a placebo controlled trial on what you claimed. Also isn't this a little bit late? We have much better treatments, so it is moot.
Here is a quote from your link:
"While treatment with vitamin D may be associated with lower rates of intubation and shorter hospital stays,"
Alrighty then, I rest my case.
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By the way the Zinc + ionophore as preventive has been known for 2 years now, here is the study backing it:
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/quercetin-covid-study-before-publication.352780/
"1 healthcare worker in QCB group and 9 out of 42 in control group had COVID-19."
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That is baloney. Just google people dying with much lower level of vit D. Not to mention fat people have a problem with vit D, and guess what? They are dying in much bigger numbers. That being said, vit D and Zinc more like prevention, not a treatment. Once you are feeling that bad that you need hospitalization, that is not the time to take it. But if you do, you have to take Quercetin with the Zinc.
So bad science, bad data. Nobody actually made a placebo controlled trial on what you claimed. Also isn't this a little bit late? We have much better treatments, so it is moot.
Here is a quote from your link:
"While treatment with vitamin D may be associated with lower rates of intubation and shorter hospital stays,"
Alrighty then, I rest my case.
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By the way the Zinc + ionophore as preventive has been known for 2 years now, here is the study backing it:
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/quercetin-covid-study-before-publication.352780/
"1 healthcare worker in QCB group and 9 out of 42 in control group had COVID-19."
Actually I do not find a sentence "While treatment with vitamin D may be associated with lower rates of intubation and shorter hospital stays," at my link. I only find a quote starting with "while" states "While these supplements have also been dubbed as an alternative against proven vaccines, researchers at The University of Toledo in Ohio, the US, said there’s been little evidence". Please tell me where you get this quote from in my link.
I will also note the meta-analysis study did have a control group who did not take these vitamins. "The analysis found no reduction in mortality for those being treated with vitamin D, C or zinc compared to patients who did not receive one of these three supplements."
When it comes to Vitamins C, D and Zinc -- the reality is that for the typical western diet the majority of people have an overindulgence in these items just from the food they eat -- everything from breakfast cereals to milk is fortified with these type of vitamins.
The majority of people who live in the west don't really need to take vitamin supplements -- they are just adding an excess of vitamins generally. Several of these vitamins simply have the excess levels flushed via urine nearly immediately.
Now if you lived in a third world country with a poor diet or were on an adventure trip with limited food then I can definitely see the benefits of taking vitamin supplements to prevent disease -- everything from scurvy to other diseases associated with vitamin deficiencies.
The reality in first world nations is that taking these supplements believing they maintain your health is not going to harm you (so go right ahead) -- unless you start thinking they are an alternate to vaccination or proper medical treatment for Covid or other diseases.
You should note that the paper about Quercetin you referenced at - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3682517 has been withdrawn at the request of the author. As outlined in other sources this study in Turkey actually appeared to indicate that further study was needed and Quercetin should not be used to prevent or treat Covid outside clinical trials.
Let's also take a look at a fact check about using Quercetin and other vitamins to prevent or treat Covid -- which provides more context & information.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ounter-vitamins-covid-19-unproven/5652497001/
With the virus going endemic, plenty of different vaccines and drug treatments, why are we talking about Zinc?
Now let's throw Covid out of the question, Zinc is a well known immune system booster, so it is good for the cold/flu season. Oh wait, we are finishing that one too, so this thread is moot for the next 8 months...
Now let's throw Covid out of the question, Zinc is a well known immune system booster, so it is good for the cold/flu season. Oh wait, we are finishing that one too, so this thread is moot for the next 8 months...
I still take Vitamin C, D, and Zinc because I'm still athletic and I still row although not competitively. Yet, I also eat foods very high in those nutrients when I take the supplements instead of relying on the supplements alone.
Any excess that accumulates in my body...the body does it good job in flushing out the excess.
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