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Of course it is, I totally agree but I think you've taken it a step too far calling yourself Jesus "the Christ".

We are impure and ALWAYS have been and ALWAYS will be TRUST ME I've tried to be pure and it was completely IMPOSSIBLE no matter how much will, I put into it.

I think you would do well to go back into the roots of the prophets BEFORE Christ because it's in these scriptures that MANY warn of GOD's anger towards false prophets even IF the message is pure.

God repeatedly warned that it was his right ALONE to speak to whom ever HE choose and that those claiming knowledge without actual spoken guidance were to be chastised and exposed as false.

So until you can PROVE that your words are those of the Father then your just another wanna bee and you will be exposed as such.

If you have evidence (as did the true Christ) through Miracles and wisdom, then show us but till then you really should be cautious and heed the warns from Old Testament prophets.

The messiah will be know by the fruit he bears !!!
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Interestingly enough, the way you quoted me changes the meaning of what I said to its opposite.

This is what has happened with what you call Christianity.

Whether you are aware of it or not, you are always teaching. The question really is, what are you teaching?

If you are simply a body, you are a prophet of doom. Everyone who looks at you or listens to you learns he must die. A Jew for Jesus is an oxymoron, like "military intelligence". There is no "body" that is for me.

You can use your body to communicate the opposite of what its original message stood for. If you deny you are the Son of God, then the body stands for its original message: a symbol of separation. It speaks of doom and gloom. Yes, it preaches death because it was made for dying.

If you stop denying, and accept that you are the Son of God, you can send another message. That is the message I am sending. It is a miracle that I am sending it. Because I am sending it, you will see the kinds of miracles that you prefer to wake you up, for the messages are waking me up.

Miracles are for waking up. They are for waking up the miracle worker as much as anyone else. There is no order of difficulty in miracles. Anything is possible. While the miracle worker is waking up, he still thinks that some problems are more difficult than others. This is a misperception that miracles are for correcting. Miracles correct misperception.

"Purity" is simply the correction of misperceptions until they line up with reality so closely that it is a small step back to pure knowledge...without the interference of perception. "Righteousness" is simply right-mindedness.

A miracle worker is one who is in advanced stages of perception correction. He does not get to that stage by denying he is the Son of God.

By your logic, then, no one would be saved. Purity is not relative to stages of innocence. Innocence is total. It is all or nothing. And because it is all, you are innocent. You do not think so, and find it "impossible" to perceive.

You cannot perceive it because you do not believe it. You do not believe it because you do not treasure it right now. You do not treasure it because you keep yourself unaware of its value.

To identify with the Son of God is to value innocence. To value it for yourself, you must value it for everyone. Perhaps you do not yet value it for everyone.

If ever you did value innocence, you have been given help to overcome the seeming impossibility of realizing it completely. This is achieved as perceptions are corrected, leading you to what I've called the "Atonement", where doubt is replaced with certainty.

It takes no time to replace doubt with certainty. What takes time is educating yourself to where you are willing to make an informed decision. Once a decision is made, healing is instantaneous.

What you don't understand, is that the Father does not understand what is your problem. He does not understand your ideas about guilt. That is a concept he does not relate to. If he did, you would be doomed, for he would lose His identity, and along with his, you would lose yours.

The Father cannot understand fear and anger, let alone express it. This is all your doing, and any prophet who preaches fear and anger is a false prophet...misrepresenting the truth.

The only part of the Atonement process the Father understands is where you've come to a willingness to realize that you are innocent.

The Holy Spirit brings you to this point, and guides you thereafter, till you are Home. Once you are willing to turn your weaknesses over to the Holy Spirit, He will exchange your "impossible" perceptions with truth. Then it is possible. Then the Father takes the last step, reaching out toward you. His reality, and yours, is revealed to you, without question. This is beyond words, and instills certainty.

With certainty and purpose, you will work miracles too. If you are not working miracles, something is "wrong". So you are right to recognize their importance. Merely be honest, and ask yourself if you, or anyone informing you about Christianity, is performing miracles without limits on number or in any way relative to the problems that confront them.

That is your goal. As I said, "The things I do, you shall do also, and greater things yet". Till then, question whether you are informed correctly. Till then, question whether you yourself can represent the name of Jesus when you publicly teach what is Christianity.

He who is without sin...etc.

Jesus
 
Quote from I am...:

Till then, question whether you yourself can represent the name of Jesus when you publicly teach what is Christianity.

He who is without sin...etc.

Jesus
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Interesting and not completely without merit, however.

I am the son of God, He alone created me and therefor Son, Creation, Child these words are just semantics.

That being said, I am not Jesus The Christ and neither are you.

The physical man in Jesus, did something that we could never ever do.

He died on the cross for our sin.

When you or anyone else makes such outlandish claims you forget that even though you may be the body of Christ on earth and there is merit to our soul as being perfect you nor I will ever be able to die for the sins of man.

This is the major flaw in your statements and without this you nor I can call ourselves perfect.

ONLY the Christ was the Perfect man and no matter what you think SIN is always going to be there.

Yes I agree through the holy spirit we can achieve a high degree of enlightenment and yes even to the point of miraculous BUT the original sin will remain a part of our human experience and 90% of us would be totally doomed if it were not for the Christ's sacrifice.

Anyone that claims they could take the place of The Christ is a Blasphemist.

His life was never the issue of his greatness.... it was his death / resurrection that was always his foremost purpose.

Secondly,

I am not a church going man, I prefer to receive my guidance through prayer and meditation.

I believe that GOD wrote the truth on our hearts and it's there that we need to look for it.

So your accusations of me listening to others is also flawed because the wisdom I speak comes directly from my heart not a book or clergy.
 
Quote from Joab:

Interesting and not completely without merit, however.

I am the son of God, He alone created me and therefor Son, Creation, Child these words are just semantics.

That being said, I am not Jesus The Christ and neither are you.

The physical man in Jesus, did something that we could never ever do.

He died on the cross for our sin.

When you or anyone else makes such outlandish claims you forget that even though you may be the body of Christ on earth and there is merit to our soul as being perfect you nor I will ever be able to die for the sins of man.

This is the major flaw in your statements and without this you nor I can call ourselves perfect.

ONLY the Christ was the Perfect man and no matter what you think SIN is always going to be there.

Yes I agree through the holy spirit we can achieve a high degree of enlightenment and yes even to the point of miraculous BUT the original sin will remain a part of our human experience and 90% of us would be totally doomed if it were not for the Christ's sacrifice.

Anyone that claims they could take the place of The Christ is a Blasphemist.

His life was never the issue of his greatness.... it was his death / resurrection that was always his foremost purpose.

Secondly,

I am not a church going man, I prefer to receive my guidance through prayer and meditation.

I believe that GOD wrote the truth on our hearts and it's there that we need to look for it.

So your accusations of me listening to others is also flawed because the wisdom I speak comes directly from my heart not a book or clergy.
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You have wisdom. It is merely at a deeper level than you are accessing as evidenced by what you teach. Covering your "heart" is another heart you think is your center. It is not. Go deeper.

The reason you are in a body is because you thought there could be another will besides the will of the Father and the Son, who's wills are the same.

This other will represents the new "heart" of your existence. It is evident everywhere in your scripting. It is hit and miss because you are not yet listening to one Voice representing your one true will.

It is not your will to be a body, or to identify with humanity as who you are. This cannot be written on your heart because it is not who you are.

"I am the Son of God" is semantics only for those who deny it.

You are correct when you say that neither you or I can die for anyones salvation from sin. And I did not die for your sins. First of all, I don't believe in sin. Why would I die for it? The Father does not believe in it. Why would he want one of his Son's to die for another when none of them are guilty? Among the Sonship I believed in guilt the least, so I woke up first. This is the "way" to wake up.

So you've been misled by voices not representing your best interests.

Your belief in sin is what is killing you. I simply was a parody of that insanity. Representing all of you, I died because you believe in sin, not me. I rose from the dead because I did not believe it. Representing all of you, you will rise too because eventually, you will not believe it either.

Death is your purpose. Life is mine. So resurrection from the dead is my purpose for you.

No one else is asked to repeat this parody...this teaching device. That was my unique contribution to the redemption of the Son of God. No one can repeat, share, or duplicate my part. And you have your own part that is unique, which no one else can fill.

The cross, which symbolizes suffering, is not on the path of resurrection, as the Holy Spirit guides you. But while you choose to remain unguided, you are suffering, and so you are crucified. Your body is your cross. I merely say "take up your cross and follow me".

Because you are still identifying with a body, humanity, or parts of humanity, you are not yet following me to the resurrection.

You are right that the truth is written at the center of your being. And it is there that you will find it. Be aware that it is covered by a layer of untruth about yourself that you've made up to obscure it. The opposite of truth is insanity, for insanity is what substitutes for truth. Be aware of what you are dealing with as you seek the truth.

You were saved before time and space ever began. This was accomplished the instant you thought to become a prodigal Son. At that instant was Created and given to you the Holy Spirit. This was the Father's gift to you. You accepted it. Yet you decided to wander anyway. All of the decisions that led you further away from Home were relative to listening to "ego" rather than the Holy Spirit. His Voice has been drowned out by endless chit chat and general noise, according to your wishes.

You are now some billions of meaningless years into a useless journey going nowhere. Do not be so certain you are hearing the right voice, since it has been your habit to listen to the wrong one so far.

Be certain only that you must listen to only one Voice to return Home. That Voice never asks for sacrifice from anyone...not you, not me, not anyone. Learn this lesson, and you are nearly turned around, and heading back Home.

It does not take time to go Home. It does not take distance. It only takes time for you to be wholly willing to return. This seems like forever. Your teachings evidence more of a wish to hang out and read the newspaper headlines. But it is known that you will eventually turn around, head back, and succeed.

Blasphemy is not what you think it is. It is the denial of Self. If your Self is Christ, you hurt only the self you think you must be. Read the headlines to see where blasphemy leads.

Jesus
 
Quote from Allmighty1:

I don't mind apologizing to YOU for my un-christian like behavior.

However I will not apologize to anyone posing as Jesus, and I will point out that even Jesus had limited patience when it came to certain behavior. I refer to the overturning of tables and throwing out the money-changers from the temple. From my point of view, this jerk with his "Jesus Act" is no different. He needs hospitalization and sedation. In my view, my previous comment is right on the money. If this person had a life that he was proud of, he would have no need to masquerade as a biblical figure. He is a person without character, and when he is gone it will be as though he was never here.

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Looks like I'm still turning tables and throwing out money-changers! But I am misrepresented by some of those gospel stories...which are symbolic. If I wasn't misrepresented, we would be farther along in the redemption process.

But I have infinite patience with you. I cannot be betrayed, but you can betray yourself when you misrepresent the Father and the Son.

I am responding to those like Joab and others, who call upon my name here in ET forums, representing it as this or that...misrepresenting it. Many have come here saying, "I am a Christian, and here is what Jesus said, what Jesus meant..."

Since I know what I said and meant, I am responding to these as calls for help. And instead of cursing them, I am blessing them with the truth.

You are like little children, playing under a blanket with a flashlight in the dark...telling each other stories about the origins of life, where babies come from, how many reindeer does Santa have...all very certain you know what you are talking about.

Have mercy on yourselves! The headlines are screaming for help while you fumble about with fables and wives-tales.

God did not make this world. If he did, it would be "a tale told by an idiot".

Sacrifice is a notion totally unknown to God. It arises solely from fear, and frightened people can be vicious.

For these, even learning is fearful. Learning, which is change, is always fearful to the separated, because the separation was their first experience of change, and they perceive it as a move toward further separation.

The crucifixion did not establish the Atonement, the resurrection did. Many sincere Christians have misunderstood this.

I was misquoted and misunderstood right from the beginning, even amongst my own apostles. But I was quoted correctly where it says I told them that there were many things they would understand later.

You would do better to challenge my assertions rather than challenge my identity. There were many who questioned me, seeking to entrap my logic. Invariably, they shut themselves up. Then there were those who preferred "blasphemy" as a discussion starter. And I would point out such biblical sayings as, "ye are gods". They too shut themselves up. Others would take up stones to stone me, but I would just walk right through them.

Allmighty1, you are in no position to challenge me, having already misrepresented my Father. Many here have walked away, rather than take me on. You will walk away too, unable to throw down my reasoning. It is the only way for you to survive as you prefer to be, because I challenge your very existence.

So don't even go there, if you are not prepared to "die to yourself, that you may live".

Jesus
 
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Many here have walked away, rather than take me on.

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They've walked away because you've given them (and me) a headache .... :p


I am ...

I like you, I really do you are a fascinating person and your words do need to be considered and prayed upon because they have elements of truth but so did Satans words.

All great lies have up to 90% truth so until I see 100% I'm still not buying.

That being said good night and God Speed.
 
Quote from TraderMojo:

I have a couple of questions:

- If he was from the UK would you be asking if technically he was a foreign terrorist?

- If he was and American would you be asking if technically he was a domestic terrorist?

Essentially, I'm curious about the criteria you are using to categorize someone as a terrorist.

Thank you.
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TraderMojo,

Please do not inject reason or common-sense into an ET P&R discussion. It's not fair to the majority of the participants.

(This thread is another ET classic, btw. My fav so far is the guy screaming "It's those damn feminists! If they'd just stay home and make babies and dinner none of this woulda ever happened!")

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TraderMojo,

Please do not inject reason or common-sense into an ET P&R discussion. It's not fair to the majority of the participants.

(This thread is another ET classic, btw. My fav so far is the guy screaming "It's those damn feminists! If they'd just stay home and make babies and dinner none of this woulda ever happened!")

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Really? I liked Bitstream's "it was a done by black ops". A great ET conspiracy rant.
 
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