Violent Thug Problem- Not a gun problem

wrbtrader said:
You know damn well I never said that nor implied such...now go pull that needle out of your arm and take a cold shower...read the below.

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Yet, now that you mentioned it, I don't have the time to look at the statistical ratios but someone else has done it...gang violence in the 1850s is statistically similar to what it is today although there obviously weren't better data maintained back then...the choice of weapons was much different.

Urban violence became so bad, that the U.S. created Prohibition in the 1920's to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America.

It didn't work out too well. In fact, Prohibition was a big failure because the Gangs became more organized, politicians became more corrupt and the violence spilled over more into the normal population. Also, gun manufacturers seized on the growing violence by having exclusive contracts with the U.S. most outlaw gangsters.

Just as bad, Hollywood glamorized the gangsters of the 20th century. So much there's been countless movies, academy award winners about gangs (e.g. Al Capone, Gangs of New York).
  • America loves their gangs (sarcasm).
My point, it's a fucked up situation and it wasn't resolved back in the 1850's during the big immigration years from Europe and it's not going to be resolved today because America loves & defends its right to gun ownership.

In fact, the country was founded on the right to bear arms. It's the primary reason America can never be like any other country that has low gun violence in comparison because those countries were not founded on the right to bear arms.

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without getting into a stat 101 debate, even if you're correct we've passed
countless laws since then that simply aren't being enforced.

id say thats a political problem more than a gun problem.
 
VEGASDESERT said:
without getting into a stat 101 debate, even if you're correct we've passed
countless laws since then that simply aren't being enforced.

id say thats a political problem more than a gun problem.
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Actually, I'm not sure if I'm correct because I can't remember the crime website that posted the statistics. Yet, I was shocked by the numbers in comparison.

Personally, I think it's both a political and gun problem because both are deeply or historically connected. Others may argue it's also a policing problem too.

Also, I find it ironic that the birthplace of all that gang violence...

Today sits the New York City Supreme Court (Paradise Square).

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VEGASDESERT said:
per 100k

st louis - 65
baltimore - 58
birmingham - 51
dertroit - 42
dayton - 35
kansas city - 30
memphis - 30
cleveland - 25
miami - 24


i can keep going.. but thanks for the 1850 comparison.
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Got a link for those numbers?

How about going with that?
 
Not a gun problem, no, no, no no.

Uhhh yes, yes, yes it is.

Miami-Dade Murder Rate Dropped in 2021 by Nearly 15%

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/miami-dade-murder-rate-dropped-in-2021-by-nearly-15/2659716/

Miami-Dade County's murder rate dropped in 2021, going against trends in other major cities across the country where murders rose to levels not seen in decades.

Figures released by the medical examiner's office this week showed Miami-Dade had 249 murders in 2021, a decrease of 41 from 2020, or about a 15% drop.

In comparison, Chicago had just under 800 murders in 2021, the most in the Windy City since 1996.

"To put it in comparison, Philadelphia, Chicago, 500, 800 homicides in 2021 alone. So Miami-Dade really is bucking the national trend," said Alex Piquero, a professor of criminology at the University of Miami.

Piquero said the Miami-Dade Police Department's "Operation Summer Heat" contributed to the decline.

The operation, which began in June and involved dozens of law enforcement agencies, was designed to take guns off the streets and targeted violent people and violent areas of the county.

Officials said the operation led to more than 3,300 felony arrests and over 1,200 guns recovered.
 
SunTrader said:
Not a gun problem, no, no, no no.

Uhhh yes, yes, yes it is.



Miami-Dade Murder Rate Dropped in 2021 by Nearly 15%

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/miami-dade-murder-rate-dropped-in-2021-by-nearly-15/2659716/

Miami-Dade County's murder rate dropped in 2021, going against trends in other major cities across the country where murders rose to levels not seen in decades.

Figures released by the medical examiner's office this week showed Miami-Dade had 249 murders in 2021, a decrease of 41 from 2020, or about a 15% drop.

In comparison, Chicago had just under 800 murders in 2021, the most in the Windy City since 1996.

"To put it in comparison, Philadelphia, Chicago, 500, 800 homicides in 2021 alone. So Miami-Dade really is bucking the national trend," said Alex Piquero, a professor of criminology at the University of Miami.

Piquero said the Miami-Dade Police Department's "Operation Summer Heat" contributed to the decline.

The operation, which began in June and involved dozens of law enforcement agencies, was designed to take guns off the streets and targeted violent people and violent areas of the county.

Officials said the operation led to more than 3,300 felony arrests and over 1,200 guns recovered.
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You just proved it's a law enforcement problem.

Enforce the law, lock up the criminals and like magic everything gets better

Now tell that to the rest of the country.


ill concede there are far too many stupid people that own guns.
there is no disputing that.
 
VEGASDESERT said:
You just proved it's a law enforcement problem.

Enforce the law, lock up the criminals and like magic everything gets better

Now tell that to the rest of the country.

ill concede there are far too many stupid people that own guns.
there is no disputing that.
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Enforcement but even more so, far too many guns.

We have no lock'em problem. If anything too many are locked up. For-profit prison corps luv it.

We lead the friggen world.
 
Whats bothersome is the fact that the majority of the violence is committed by blacks. Why wont black leaders do something about the criminal mind and criminal intent? Taking away guns won’t take away the violent intentions, they will use other weapons. The majority of gun violence takes place in the inner cities where violent kids are unsupervised . No family structure !
Liberals make excuses because they are lazy and won’t do the work to make lives better for inner city kids. Typical lazy liberals- excuses not solutions.
Having marches, vigils, and protests do nothing. These kids need a road map for success.
 
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A yuuuge majority of crime is related to poverty.

A yuuuge majority of people living in poverty are blacks.

Survival dog eat dog mentality drives crime. Nothing to do with criminal mind/intent lol.
 
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