Video| Fine Tuning from the Top Scientists

bigarrow · Mar 29, 2013

Quote from jem:

The tricky part is speculating there are almost infinite universes.

jem do you think speculating about a god is at least as tricky?

jem · Mar 29, 2013

Quote from bigarrow:

jem do you think speculating about a god is at least as tricky?

that is another point.
we are discussing the fine tuning of our universe?

Stu can't accept reality which conflicts with his 1950s science.

I provide real examples and he pretends they do not exist.

do you deny... that that using 20 constants to 32 decimal places to predict the higgs boson is unbelievable fine tuning? or not?

http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

The constant gardener

One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.

Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world.

jem · Mar 29, 2013

ON this thread stu called my a liar... This is a quote from stu...

.... It was you lying by insisting as you still do, I said "there was plenty of science saying showing life evolved from non life."

I said there is plenty of science showing how life can evolve from non life....

yet we see this...
Stu... are you having a break with reality?
This is what your wrote...

http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthrea...cience+showing+life+from+non+life#post3270666

I say this ....."There is plenty of science showing life from non life."

jem · Mar 29, 2013

and here your wrote it again...
you lying troll..

and it was in response to my challenge of your bullshit about there being plenty of science showing life from non life.

http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3130348&highlight=plenty+of+science#post3130348

None of the de Duve's quotes say any such thing.
A de Duve quote does state categorically chance.

But as an ID'er, you are of course all about misinformation, misrepresenting , misquoting and misunderstanding.

There is plenty of science showing life from non life.
...

stu · Mar 30, 2013

That is what you said and have not retracted. This is your lie.

Quote from jem:
Every few weeks he tries to pretend there is proof of life coming from non life...

This is what I've always said.....

Quote from stu:
"there is plenty of science to show how life can come from non life"
and
"there is plenty of science showing life from non life."

You've been lying about what I say for a long time.
You are so unbelievably ridiculous , now you even give links that prove you a liar.

http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3130348&highlight=plenty+of+science#post3130348
http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthrea...cience+showing+life+from+non+life#post3270666

stu · Mar 30, 2013

Quote from jem:

do you deny... that that using 20 constants to 32 decimal places to predict the higgs boson is unbelievable fine tuning? or not?

That 20 constants have certain values is not unbelievable.

The cosmological constant itself, is the tiniest fraction from being zero. If anyone or thing intended to fine tune it, then it missed.

It is calculated scientifically the universe would be even more conducive to its own existence if the cosmological constant were zero or a tad less, maximizing galaxy and star formation.

You're merely using the term dishonestly for religiously motivated reasons, not scientific ones.

jem · Mar 30, 2013

you are going back to an old thread to bring up lying bullshit back then.

What we are dealing with today... is you lied on this thread.
And I caught your in quotes.
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Quote from stu:

That is what you said and have not retracted. This is your lie.

This is what I've always said.....

You've been lying about what I say for a long time.
You are so unbelievably ridiculous , now you even give links that prove you a liar.

http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3130348&highlight=plenty+of+science#post3130348
http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthrea...cience+showing+life+from+non+life#post3270666

jem · Mar 30, 2013

now you are just making up the most ridiculous statements about science.
You are a troll comedy act.

here is the real science on the cosmological constant and the tuning.

its not that they have certain values...its that if they were a little bit different the universe would rip apart or never form.

I guess you refuse to listen to Susskind, who explains it very simply in this video.

Quote from jem:

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Quote from stu:

That 20 constants have certain values is not unbelievable.

The cosmological constant itself, is the tiniest fraction from being zero. If anyone or thing intended to fine tune it, then it missed.

It is calculated scientifically the universe would be even more conducive to its own existence if the cosmological constant were zero or a tad less, maximizing galaxy and star formation.

You're merely using the term dishonestly for religiously motivated reasons, not scientific ones.

stu · Mar 31, 2013

Quote from jem:
You are going back to an old thread to bring up lying bullshit back then.

YOU started this because YOU went back to an old thread, you imbecile.
A thread which confirms exactly, your lying bullshit back then , and now.

Quote from jem:
"there was plenty of science saying showing life evolved from non life."

That is hardly English and I didn't say it.
Like the idiot you are, you can't even copy my quotes correctly, but re-write them in your version pspr's "Engrish".
You do so because essentially you must be a dishonest and untruthful person.

Quote from jem:
Notice how he changed his entire quote by inserting "how".

I gave my correct and accurate quote against the crap one you made, you prick.
And it didn't change anything at all. These two quotes essentially state the same fact.

"there is plenty of science to show how life can come from non life"
"There is plenty of science showing life from non life."

This is the <strike>quote</strike> lie you rely on, as seen in the links you provide yourself .....from old threads!!
"Every few weeks he tries to pretend there is proof of life coming from non life..."

You were a liar and are a liar now. No change then.

stu · Mar 31, 2013

Quote from jem:

now you are just making up the most ridiculous statements about science.
You are a troll comedy act.

here is the real science on the cosmological constant and the tuning.

its not that they have certain values...its that if they were a little bit different the universe would rip apart or never form.

I guess you refuse to listen to Susskind, who explains it very simply in this video.

Sorry to break the bad news again but your own unfounded assertions and self contradicting claims are not real science.

It is also pointless to keep trolling a Susskind vid when you said ...Susskind is pure speculation .

So now it's NOT that the constants have certain 'fine tuned' values. But rather, you're just saying if the universe were anything other than what it is, then it wouldn't be what it is.
Well thanks for that einstein.

If you are going to express through the phrase 'fine-tuning', your incredulity at the fact the universe exists at all, then it would a least be more realistic to
suggest it is 'fine-tuned' for a massive 95% giant void with enormous numbers of black holes. However special you want to imagine it, the 5% matter is something coincidental rather than anything else.