Video| Fine Tuning from the Top Scientists

[jem]

The subject bashes his hands in front of his monitors and screams, no it can't be. There can be no evidence of a Creator in my universe. Science must be all lies.
But he knows the cosmological constant is tuned tuned to over 100 places because Susskind and others have explained it to him on tape.

and... as we saw on another thread...

As The Economist explains: "One problem [with the Higgs discovery] is that, as it stands, the [Standard] model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places . Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%" (p. 72, emphasis added throughout). It is mindboggling to contemplate this incredible degree of required cosmic fine-tuning. Why would scientists be "uncomfortable" with it? Because it logically leads to the best explanation of the facts—that an ultra-intelligent Mind engineered and orchestrated all of it!

http://www.ucg.org/science/god-science-and-bible-higgs-boson-evidence-universes-fine-tuning/



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The bible --

"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Quote from stu:

It makes no difference.

If it's science or multiverse or what Susskind or what Guth says, or it's what any of YOUR authority says .... "is big pile of massive speculation".... then it "is big pile of massive speculation" ...founded upon mathematical equations and based on the laws of physics.

God or Tuner then, also.... "is big pile of massive speculation".... but founded upon nothing else other than personal fantasies.

There is no science that confirms any fine tuning. There are values which are only asserted to be fine tuned. Fine tuning "is big pile of massive speculation".... founded upon nothing other than assumption.


You still have a non-argument which still "is big pile of massive bullshit".

Your obsession in troll posting the same videos over and over won't change that.

 

[stu]

...already debunked. You trolling the same post again and again doesn't change that.

There's no science saying the universe is fine tuned, however much you wish it weren't so.

Running off to religious websites looking for your Tuner makes no difference to that fact.

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
Might want to reflect on that a bit,

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

...already debunked. You trolling the same post again and again doesn't change that.

There's no science saying the universe is fine tuned, however much you wish it weren't so.

Running off to religious websites looking for your Tuner makes no difference to that fact.

you are a fricken troll we went through this already.
you keep claiming you debunk science its entertaining for everyone but you.


a. http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

"The constant gardener

One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.

Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world."

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from stu:

...already debunked. You trolling the same post again and again doesn't change that.

There's no science saying the universe is fine tuned, however much you wish it weren't so.

Running off to religious websites looking for your Tuner makes no difference to that fact.

You're just getting pathetic there stu.

 

[stu]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
You're just getting pathetic there stu.

Pathetic is saying you didn't give a f#k then keep posting.
Pathetic is communicating by emoticon the childish way you do.
Pathetic is a wannabe bullyboy cheering in blind support from the gallery for absurd irrational comments, just because they are religiously based.

You've already stated your mind is closed, so why don't you take your own advice and actually stop giving a f#k.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:
you are a fricken troll we went through this already.
you keep claiming you debunk science its entertaining for everyone but you.

a. http://www.economist.com/node/21558248

"The constant gardener

One problem is that, as it stands, the model requires its 20 or so constants to be exactly what they are to an uncomfortable 32 decimal places. Insert different values and the upshot is nonsensical predictions, like phenomena occurring with a likelihood of more than 100%.

Nature could, of course, turn out to be this fastidious. But physicists have learned to take the need for such fine-tuning, as the precision fiddling is known in the argot, as a sign that something important is missing from their picture of the world."

Only 32 decimal places!? Why not 64? Or 2 trillion places of pi? Why not a precise - infinity of places. What , it only requires 32!.
If the numbers were integers only, you'd be going.. woo..no decimal places... must be fine tuned...must be a tuner.

There is no science to say the numbers are remarkable. I've said time after time but you can't grasp it, the term 'fine tuning', is not what you are asserting it is.

That much is confirmed in the economist article you just re-posted again obviously without reading it. It states fine tuning is jargon/slang (argot). Is there a reason why you keep posting stuff that destroys your own nonsense.

Fine tuning:
A term being used by physicists for incomplete science.
A term being used by you for an unscientific and imaginary god tuner.

There is no science to say the numbers are remarkable just because you want to obsessively balance a bunch silly claims on the term. They've fallen off anyway. You have already been debunked.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from stu:

1)Pathetic is saying you didn't give a f#k then keep posting.
2)Pathetic is communicating by emoticon the childish way you do.
3)Pathetic is a wannabe bullyboy cheering in blind support from the gallery for absurd irrational comments, just because they are religiously based.

4)You've already stated your mind is closed, so why don't you take your own advice and actually stop giving a f#k.

1) Pathetic that you either cannot read or can't understand what you read.
2) emoticons are childish? Laughter is good medicine.
3) Seriously you can't even admit to the possibility of a creator, so who's blind and irrational?
4) No you stated that ya dishonest lil cretin.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from stu:

Only 32 decimal places!? Why not 64? Or 2 trillion places of pi? Why not a precise - infinity of places. What , it only requires 32!.
If the numbers were integers only, you'd be going.. woo..no decimal places... must be fine tuned...must be a tuner.

There is no science to say the numbers are remarkable. I've said time after time but you can't grasp it, the term 'fine tuning', is not what you are asserting it is.

That much is confirmed in the economist article you just re-posted again obviously without reading it. It states fine tuning is jargon/slang.
A term being used by physicists for still incomplete and missing science.
A term being used by you for a unscientific god tuner.

There is no science to say the numbers are remarkable just because you want to obsessively balance a bunch silly claims on the term. They've fallen off anyway. You have already been debunked.

Yup. Argument can now cease. Stu won.

 

[stu]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
Seriously you can't even admit to the possibility of a creator, so who's blind and irrational?

I've 'admitted' many times, gravity would very likely be a creator.

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
Pathetic that you either cannot read or can't understand what you read.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from stu:

I've 'admitted' many times, gravity would very likely be a creator.

That's nice and it's just as explanatory as "God did it".

geez what an intellectual moron.