Viagra for the brain

Fascinating story @comagnum and as you say, what you get on the way up you repay on the way down. The film Limitless purveys the message perfectly, just ignore the part where he perfects it as that is just hollywood dreams. Tell me, if there really were a pill that could do that for you, much like in the film, wouldn't it be a well kept secret?
 
comagnum said:
People taking this new smart drug report its like viewing the world in HD, clarity to perfection feeling, many say it makes music feel intense & and blissful. I once traded for years full time on drug called GHB that works on the same GABA receptor as this 'smart' drug' Matzner is using. I recognized some of the effects of this smart drug as sounding similar to GHB. Sorry for the long rant.

I used GHB in the late 90's, it was legal back than, you could buy it a GNC or many health food stores.. I was very healthy, drug free, non drinker, living on a great beach in Hawaii surfing most days. I was a disciplined full time day & swing trader. I gave into peer pressure and tried GHB that a fitness instructor friend talked me into trying. Every article I found about is stated it safe as water, the fountain of youth, etc. . Body builders used it before sleep to release more growth hormone and reach a deep sleep faster The smart drug users were also into GHB. It made you feel like you had the energy and optimism of a very young person, with the empathy of Gandhi, the creativity of Steve Jobs, and the brain of Einstein. Everybody that took it fell in love with it. I felt so creative on it and could focus like a laser trading and surf like a dolphin. I was killing it trading on a level I had never imagined. I credited GHB for that sharp increase in profits. My high rise condo in Hawaii was transformed into a non stop party - lava lamps, rave music thumping, people coming and going through the night to party. It suddenly became a schedule-1 drug and was removed from stores form a string of deaths. I had to buy it on-line and sometimes the supplier ran out. When I ran out I could no sleep, was nervous and felt a level of doom that I had never experienced before. I would stare out the window like a cat or dog for days waiting to see the UPS truck.
My life now depended on this drug. I could not trade or even go outside without this drug. About 2 years later it came crashing down - I was waking up in places far from home not remembering how I got there, passed out with people shaking me thinking I was dying. I had to sop but no local hospital would take me in. There was only one hospital that would take me in but it was on the mainland I was to sick to make it there. The GHB detox is done in an ICU with assisted breathing -and heart monitors -"safe as water"?. I had to do it on my own. I went to shrink and told him about my plan to detox, asking for some safe drugs to help me with this - he loaded me up with pills - and I mean lots of them: Ambian, Valium, Oxycontin, Wellbutrin, etc. Days 1-9 were horrible - I barricaded furniture to block me from getting to the balcony - because I was tempted to jump. My resting pulse was 180 on day #10 and climbing - I could hear my heart beating. I took hand fulls of pills but they did nothing to calm me down - that is until I passed out and came to days later about 20 pound lighter looking like a POW. It took many years to rebuild my life again - it was like waking in another person body and that person was a train wreck. Everything was a disaster. I had 3 cars but could not find any of them, my set for life at 37 trading account was down to $60K but I did not remember the trades that caused it. I would have to pay the IRS $180k in taxes for capital gains on profits I had made than lost. I learned all I could about GHB - about recovery. I became glad to be alive. It turns out many people died from GHB, plenty of body builders died from the detox, even when done at a hospital - heart failure. Ravers were replacing X with GHB, the deaths were sky rocketing. If you mix GHB with alcohol or sedatives its game over. I started all over again from min wage jobs to a good career than trading. Point being - there are no free lunches - when a drug feels like a miracle thats the warning flag - whatever it initially gives you it will take away ten times over down the road. I had read users of this new smart drug falling in love with it - calling it a miracle - look out below.
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Crazy story, however, don't assume that the "Nootropics" that Gen Y is taking are anything like GHB.

The main compound in question, Piracetam, has proven to be quite non-toxic in pretty much every study since the 60's- Even in extreme doses. In comparison, GHB induces oxidative stress, even low doses over a prolonged period has shown to produce neurotoxic effects.
 
Even if such drugs do work, one has to question what side-effects, both short-term and long-term, they would have. Not to mention that I am curious what kind of clinical trials they pass before being released on the market.
 
nitro said:
I am wondering when people are going to be happy just with what they got. What is wonderful about our existence is that there are so many ways to appreciate reality. In fact, sometimes too much understanding confuses the appreciation of the thing you are appreciating. Do I really want to think of a woman from the perspective of Grays Anatomy? Or that she is probably a walking neural net optimizing the chances of her potential offspring? What about a rose both its smell and its color? Do I really want to break it down to the electromagnetic spectrum?

I have the opposite problem of most people. I often just want a stupid pill. We make terrible judgement on people. There is nothing, or should be nothing, more inherently more valuable about being smart than not being smart. It is just the way that natural selection works, and society has mirrored nature for millennia.

Money distorts everything.
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IF people were just happy with what they have got, then the world would go backwards.

So you mean to say that someone who has a known genetic gene mutation which evolves into a full blown cancer, should just accept that they have cancer, and be happy with the fact that they're going to die before many of their peers.... Because it's just the way that natural selection works right.

Rather than a stupid pill you could just watch FOX or CNN, or better still- CNBC. Consumer a couple of cold ones while you're at, and you'll be stpuid in no time.
 
Macca1 said:
Rather than a stupid pill you could just watch FOX or CNN, or better still- CNBC.
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Orrrr..... you can watch them to divine what memes are being fed to the herd,..... think critically for yourself,...... and plan/trade accordingly. Ever think of that?
 
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