VHYD and VWRD ETF

[Alver]

Hello,

I am looking at non-US domiciled ETFs and find VHYD to be a good EFT for dividend. The VWRD does not provide as much of dividend but seems to be good investment into the whole world. What are the risks investing 70-80% of the funds into these two ETF?

What alternatives could be used instead.

 

[Sekiyo]

If the goal is simply to earn interests then you have safer options.

Dividends ETFs have performed pretty well and the chart doesn't look bad.

But here you're still betting on America and Financials

Dividends should be icing on the cake,
But never the reason to invest into something.

It pays 4% distributed on a quarterly basis,
Can't you find a bank that provides 4% on your money ?

Do you really want the added risk (Reward) by betting on the USA and the Financial sector ?

The ETF isn't that liquid neither ...
VYM is much more adopted institutionally.

The risk being the ETF losing 50% of its value as in 2008

 

[Alver]

If the goal is simply to earn interests then you have safer options.

Dividends ETFs have performed pretty well and the chart doesn't look bad.

But here you're still betting on America and Financials

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Dividends should be icing on the cake,
But never the reason to invest into something.

It pays 4% distributed on a quarterly basis,
Can't you find a bank that provides 4% on your money ?

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Do you really want the added risk (Reward) by betting on the USA and the Financial sector ?

The ETF isn't that liquid neither ...
VYM is much more adopted institutionally.

The risk being the ETF losing 50% of its value as in 2008

Thanks for valid comments. The reason VYM does not work for me is the 30% withholding tax. I am looking for Ireland domiciled ETFs because they do not charge me withholding tax.
I am not a US resident and cannot open a bank CD in the US. Moreover, when interest rates are low, CD does pay as much as ETF.
Even if ETF price goes down then rebounds that is ok as I am a long term investor. The same happen with any stock or ETF.
Regarding Treasury- I am not sure I can buy them thru my interactive broker account.

Is there other ETF you could suggest?

 

[Sekiyo]

Is there other ETF you could suggest?

TDIV maybe based on past performance
Vaneck morningstar developed markets dividend leaders

Has less draw down and better overall performance.
Not sure about the quality of dividends.

But it's EURO denominated,
Trading on the eurex I believe.

Maybe you prefer dollar exposure.

 

[Sekiyo]

Not sure about my interpretation
This take both TDIV(Black) and VHYD(Green)
While taking into account the exchange rate fluctuations.

TDIV (EUR/GBP)
VHYD (USD/GBP)

Currency fluctuation is an added risk,
Maybe you could find something denominated in GBP if that's your base currency,
Or you want to take a bet that the USD or EUR is going to outperform / under perform.

The USD is the major currency right now.

 

[Alver]

Thanks for detailed info. I looked at TDIV and it is shown in USD in my brokerage account. The base currency of the fund is in EURO though. Considering that Euro is low now and has potential to grow, it makes sense to buy it now. If Euro goes up, it may increase the value of the ETF as well - do you agree?

 

[Sekiyo]

Thanks for detailed info. I looked at TDIV and it is shown in USD in my brokerage account. The base currency of the fund is in EURO though. Considering that Euro is low now and has potential to grow, it makes sense to buy it now. If Euro goes up, it may increase the value of the ETF as well - do you agree?

Seems like the ECB isn't going to raise rates as much as the FED,
Therefore I don't see why the EUR would grow in the near term (< 2yrs).

This is simple reasoning and I could be wrong.

This is the EUR/USD chart
All time low 0.5, All time high 1.6, Midprice ~1.05
I'd say that based on history the EURO isn't cheap nor dear

Go for your 1st choice !
It's a more mature fund with better liquidity (Adoption)

 

[Alver]

sorry, by my first choice you mean VHYD? It is also based in EURO, but has USD ticker. It has the same currency risks. The good thing about both of them that dividends are not taxed at 30%.

 

[Sekiyo]

VHYD/TDIV

We can see TDIV performs better over time.
But it's less institutionalized (VHYD traded $232M vs TDIV $8.7M) YTD
Fund size: VHYD: €2,951M vs TDIV €263M
Dividends last 12 Months: VHYD €2.14 vs TDIV €1.67
Total expense ratio: VHYD 0.29% p.a. vs TDIV 0.38% p.a.

All in all VHYD looks better.

 

[Sekiyo]