Quote from jb514:
I know, they are identical in all aspects, but how come one will give you a better risk profile than the other sometimes? Shouldn't they always be the same if they are identical in every way?
I think something can be deduced from their differences.
edit:
With the example I posted earlier
PCLN May
Long 540 call $30.40
Short 545 call $26.50
vs
Long 540 put $21.60
Short 545 put $23.50
If you were to trade both using one contract each, you would get the following numbers.
The Bull Call Spread would have a max profit of $110, and a max loss of $390.
The Bull Put Spread would have a max profit of $190, and a max loss of $310.
So, we can easily conclude that the bull put spread is the better of the two trades. Doesn't that tell us that is is better to be collecting premium than buying for this underlying?
1) Volatility levels can be "low" or "high" compared to an arbitrary historical average.Quote from jb514:
----What do you mean by this?
----selling when volatility is overpriced....
----buying when it is underpriced....
When IV is high, you overpay on the long side and get overpaid on the short side (and vice versa when IV is low). The time premium expansion is greater for the nearer money leg than for the outer leg so there is an advantage to buying spreads in a low IV environment tho not as large as you'd think due to this offset.Quote from jb514:
If they are about the same, are we benefiting from high or low premiums?
Do only want to be setting up vertical spreads when Implied Volatility is high?
Quote from spindr0:
But remember, verticals are directional so if you get that wrong but get IV right, it will be a Pyrrhic victory as you gain 10-20+ cts from the IV expansion (the offset affects both sides) but lose the entire premium if long and wrong.
Yep, there are many gradations of P&L when you have multiple variables (price and IV change as well as time decay).Quote from Maverickz:
While this is 100% true, the inverse is also true. If you are right on direction but wrong on volatility you can still find yourself losing or barely making a profit on what should have been a winning trade.
Quote from spindr0:
Ignoring EA's, pending releases, etc. where IV change is imminent, how many people do you know who can predict volatility? I know none so my short answer is, with verticals, deal with direction first and foremost.