Vertabral fusing to stop back pain?
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My comments may not be relevant to you now, as my experience is with a friend who had this done 15 years ago. For him he was better, but basically was in pain most of the time anyway, but a lot less pain than before the surgery. It limited his mobility, although he was much better off than before the surgery. He had a very severe injury and possibly the degree of your problems maybe part of the answer to whether some relief is better than none.
The guy had stories that made you wonder why people ever worked for railroads, which is where he was injured. He was getting working to couple some cars and something went really wrong, and he ended up a mess. He saw a guy get coupled between trains, and was still alive until they pulled them apart. So much for OSHA.
The guy had stories that made you wonder why people ever worked for railroads, which is where he was injured. He was getting working to couple some cars and something went really wrong, and he ended up a mess. He saw a guy get coupled between trains, and was still alive until they pulled them apart. So much for OSHA.
I blew out my L5/S1 disc in the late 90's while in my later 20's. The pain got worse over time to the point I couln't sit down anymore; I would either stand up or lay down. Going out to dinner, watching tv, etc etc was painful.
I saw a doctor that wanted to do a discectomy, which removes the bulging portion and cauterizes the tear. He would have gone in from the back and would have had to remove some bone to execute the procedure. So I had a second opinion.
The second doctor told me he too could do the discectomy, however he said it would only be a temporary fix, maybe good for a few years. What he suggested was to just get it over with in one procedure and get the fusion done. Which is what I did.
For the procedure, he went through my belly area instead of sawing on my vertabrae, it gave him a clear shot into the disc area where he inserted two "ray cages"; titanium threaded, hollow baskets with holes where inserted hip bone (second incision) is put inside and grows to fuse it all together.
I had this procedure done in January of 2000. 11 years later and I have NEVER had an issue again; no pain or even discomfort. The only noticeable con was losing a tiny bit of flexibility in my lower back. But that is only noticed if I try to stretch and reach my toes and is barely noticeable at that.
I have heard others that did not have as good of an outcome as me; I believe it has to do with two things. My doctor went in through my front side (anterior), no cutting on my vertabrae. The other factor is the recovery process post surgery. I took EVERY recaution during the fusing time to baby my back, no lifting of anything, keeping my brace on during waking hours and sleeping on my back with a pillow under my legs.
I would do it all again, without question. The pain I endured before hand and the loss of quality of life was unsustainable. I am sure there are plenty of good back specialists that can do a great job; my doctor was Randall Dryer at the Central Texas Spine Institute in Austin.
Good luck with whatever you do.
I saw a doctor that wanted to do a discectomy, which removes the bulging portion and cauterizes the tear. He would have gone in from the back and would have had to remove some bone to execute the procedure. So I had a second opinion.
The second doctor told me he too could do the discectomy, however he said it would only be a temporary fix, maybe good for a few years. What he suggested was to just get it over with in one procedure and get the fusion done. Which is what I did.
For the procedure, he went through my belly area instead of sawing on my vertabrae, it gave him a clear shot into the disc area where he inserted two "ray cages"; titanium threaded, hollow baskets with holes where inserted hip bone (second incision) is put inside and grows to fuse it all together.
I had this procedure done in January of 2000. 11 years later and I have NEVER had an issue again; no pain or even discomfort. The only noticeable con was losing a tiny bit of flexibility in my lower back. But that is only noticed if I try to stretch and reach my toes and is barely noticeable at that.
I have heard others that did not have as good of an outcome as me; I believe it has to do with two things. My doctor went in through my front side (anterior), no cutting on my vertabrae. The other factor is the recovery process post surgery. I took EVERY recaution during the fusing time to baby my back, no lifting of anything, keeping my brace on during waking hours and sleeping on my back with a pillow under my legs.
I would do it all again, without question. The pain I endured before hand and the loss of quality of life was unsustainable. I am sure there are plenty of good back specialists that can do a great job; my doctor was Randall Dryer at the Central Texas Spine Institute in Austin.
Good luck with whatever you do.
Hmm, I hadn't actually looked into how they do this, certainly off putting.
Have a long term problem with it-a couple of vertebrae got bad enough they actually ground away over time (the subluxated back edges, not the whole thing of course) .
Doesn't grind anymore, but sure is annoying as heck, particularly right between the shoulder blades. Not acute pain, but then, neither is Chinese water torture.
Have a long term problem with it-a couple of vertebrae got bad enough they actually ground away over time (the subluxated back edges, not the whole thing of course) .
Doesn't grind anymore, but sure is annoying as heck, particularly right between the shoulder blades. Not acute pain, but then, neither is Chinese water torture.
Wow. You actually care about your mother in -law?
Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
My issue isn't diabolical, just "bloody awful" but I'm looking in case it becomes that way.
Comes and goes, but for years now it's been more here than there.
I've had more than my share of severe pain, over time and I'm tired of it.
I know this is a long term thing, I cannot simply wish it away, nor pray for it to magically become better.
Particularly given I'm not religious, at all.
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Wow. You actually care about your mother in -law?
Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
My issue isn't diabolical, just "bloody awful" but I'm looking in case it becomes that way.
Comes and goes, but for years now it's been more here than there.
I've had more than my share of severe pain, over time and I'm tired of it.
I know this is a long term thing, I cannot simply wish it away, nor pray for it to magically become better.
Particularly given I'm not religious, at all.
you could go see benny hinn. i hear he can fix it. just kidding.
i to have a back problem after my 20 ft fall off of a ladder a few years ago. the pain comes and goes. i have been researching my options. back fusion is very hit and miss. i hear of a lot of failures. i am interested in this instead:
http://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Patient...l-Treatments/Artificial-Disc-Replacement.aspx
I have been thinking of starting a back pain thread for sharing solutions, I guess this will do.
I have 2.5 herniated discs. I can consider myself lucky, because except not being able to play certain sports like tennis, and having stiffness and slight pain in the morning, I am generally OK.
The injuries were always sport related, usually once a year I managed to pull my back in the last 5-7 years, ending in inmobility for a few days. Generally rest, time and physical therapy fixed things. I did look into more statisfying solutions though.
2 years ago I had a steroid injection, but that is rather costly and the effect varies for every individual. Mine lasted for 3-4 days, after that the steroid dissipated into my body and no more lasting effect....
Since I don't have pain down in my leg, I am not a surgery candidate, and I would only do surgery as a very last resort.
Here is what I have found over the years that works for me:
1. Sleep on as hard bed as you can stand. That is one of the most important thing, since you spend 1/3 of your time sleeping. One trick I did when I had to sleep on a soft bed is to put cardboards on the bed, making it harder. Eventually it will break up and soften, but for a few nights it works...
2. Swim,swim,swim. This is the only sport I can do without any pain and I don't have to worry about sudden moves. Your spine has no weight on it while you are weightlessly floating in water. Taking hot bath also helps.
3. Posture during the day. Find a comfortable sitting or lying position that doesn't hurt you in the long run. Even standing is better than sitting in the wrong position. I ordered a kneeling chair, but that put too much weight on my knees, but you might want to give it a try...
4. Running is bad, walking is good. I have noticed if I squat for 20-30 seconds during my walks, that fixes my backpain. I guess it readjusts the spine or something. In a similar way, if I sit up in the bed for 5-10 minutes before getting up, that also fixes my morning pain. You might just have to find certain positions that readjust your discs...
5. Nutritions: I have taken turmuric and it had positive effects because it helps the blood flow and has antiinflamatory and painkilling effects. It is an Indian spice, cheap and no bad sideeffects. It helps with your bowel movement too. Since then I switched to Krill Oil (Megared), for other reasons, I don't want to take both, so I stuck with the Krill Oil. But I would still take the turmuric, if I stopped the fishoil...
6. There are messageboards for spine problems, look them up, plenty of good info. www.spine-health.com
7. Physical therapy (strecthing, yoga) should be continued even after the pain goes away. It is important to keep your back and stomach muscles in shape...
8. Don't be overweight. This was never an issue for me, but obviously extra weight puts extra pressure on your spine and discs...
9. Try an inversion table. You can get a decent one under $200. 5-10 minutes hanging upside down might do the trick. I have one although I don't use it very often, I usually get sleepy on it. I guess its effect varies for each individual. Still, it is much cheaper than paying for spine pulling machines...
10. If you have to lift something heavy, always squat first and lift with your legs keeping your back straight...
In short, take some suppliment (turmuric), exercise moderately (swimming,yoga), sleep on a hard bed and watch your posture during the day....
I have 2.5 herniated discs. I can consider myself lucky, because except not being able to play certain sports like tennis, and having stiffness and slight pain in the morning, I am generally OK.
The injuries were always sport related, usually once a year I managed to pull my back in the last 5-7 years, ending in inmobility for a few days. Generally rest, time and physical therapy fixed things. I did look into more statisfying solutions though.
2 years ago I had a steroid injection, but that is rather costly and the effect varies for every individual. Mine lasted for 3-4 days, after that the steroid dissipated into my body and no more lasting effect....
Since I don't have pain down in my leg, I am not a surgery candidate, and I would only do surgery as a very last resort.
Here is what I have found over the years that works for me:
1. Sleep on as hard bed as you can stand. That is one of the most important thing, since you spend 1/3 of your time sleeping. One trick I did when I had to sleep on a soft bed is to put cardboards on the bed, making it harder. Eventually it will break up and soften, but for a few nights it works...
2. Swim,swim,swim. This is the only sport I can do without any pain and I don't have to worry about sudden moves. Your spine has no weight on it while you are weightlessly floating in water. Taking hot bath also helps.
3. Posture during the day. Find a comfortable sitting or lying position that doesn't hurt you in the long run. Even standing is better than sitting in the wrong position. I ordered a kneeling chair, but that put too much weight on my knees, but you might want to give it a try...
4. Running is bad, walking is good. I have noticed if I squat for 20-30 seconds during my walks, that fixes my backpain. I guess it readjusts the spine or something. In a similar way, if I sit up in the bed for 5-10 minutes before getting up, that also fixes my morning pain. You might just have to find certain positions that readjust your discs...
5. Nutritions: I have taken turmuric and it had positive effects because it helps the blood flow and has antiinflamatory and painkilling effects. It is an Indian spice, cheap and no bad sideeffects. It helps with your bowel movement too. Since then I switched to Krill Oil (Megared), for other reasons, I don't want to take both, so I stuck with the Krill Oil. But I would still take the turmuric, if I stopped the fishoil...
6. There are messageboards for spine problems, look them up, plenty of good info. www.spine-health.com
7. Physical therapy (strecthing, yoga) should be continued even after the pain goes away. It is important to keep your back and stomach muscles in shape...
8. Don't be overweight. This was never an issue for me, but obviously extra weight puts extra pressure on your spine and discs...
9. Try an inversion table. You can get a decent one under $200. 5-10 minutes hanging upside down might do the trick. I have one although I don't use it very often, I usually get sleepy on it. I guess its effect varies for each individual. Still, it is much cheaper than paying for spine pulling machines...
10. If you have to lift something heavy, always squat first and lift with your legs keeping your back straight...
In short, take some suppliment (turmuric), exercise moderately (swimming,yoga), sleep on a hard bed and watch your posture during the day....