Venezuela flying 10 tons of goods to hurricane damages areas

[zdreg]

So an hour ago you made the unsubstantiated (and false) statement that "He sends a few bottles of water to the islands and the lefty media goes gaga" Now you say the EXACT OPPOSITE that the "lefties" don't support him now...but go on the make the equally unsubstantiated caricature of the left statement that the "the lefty chavez "revolution" that was supported- ad nauseum- by the lefties."

Listen, I was once like you. I grew up conservative, listened to Rush, and thought all the time about what complete imbeciles those "lefties" were. Then I actually met some and listed to them. Come to find out, much of what I was sure they believed was just a caricature of what they actually believed. I also realized upon further thought and research that much of what I believed to be true but hadn't taken the time to investigate or think through actually wasn't true. I still hold that some ideas from the right have merit, but I've realized that much of what the left actually thinks, as opposed to what Rush and Fox tell you they think, has significant merit as well.

I'm sure you know absolutely nothing about the history of the coups, Pérez Jiménez, the corruption Carlos Andrés Pérez or anything else about the history of Venezuela that led to Chavez. You also can't name any "lefties" who supported Chaves "- ad nauseum-" (but you're sure going to google and find one right now, aren't you). You're regurgitating something you heard but haven't taken the time to really understand. In the process you're reinforcing that you haven't actually taken the time to understand what those who disagree with you politically think because it's easier for you to just paint them all as idiots and fools. If only they could have the common sense you do, right?

We'd all be better off if people like you (and the equally wrong people on the left) took the time to understand what the other side actually believed and giving it some thought. It requires some maturity to do that, and you might have to actually start thinking of people you disagree with as fellow intelligent humans rather than "lefties", but you too will benefit from the attitude adjustment.

Heh. Let me give you a clue Cowboy- your greater knowledge of my life than I have notwithstanding- I can assure that I have far more experience with being a liberal than you do. So with that being the case, all of your comments can still be useful and relevant somewhere, particularly in your morning dialogue with the voices in your Rice Krispies.

he once accused me of being a racist because i said that the stock loan department, which is known as a center of bribery on wall street, came from a particular ethnic group. after providing proof there was dead silence. he is of the kind who finds racism everywhere.if you can find his address send him of box of rice krispies laced with lsd. i will pay all charges,

 

[Sig]

Heh. Let me give you a clue Cowboy- your greater knowledge of my life than I have notwithstanding- I can assure that I have far more experience with being a liberal than you do. So with that being the case, all of your comments can still be useful and relevant somewhere, particularly in your morning dialogue with the voices in your Rice Krispies.

You clearly have a lot more experience changing your assertions when they're pointed out as baseless cowhand, that's for sure. A bit ironic that it's fine for you to make up what "lefties" believe but when it hits closer to home you don't seem to like it nearly as much. Would be interested to hear you share what liberal experience led you to believe that "lefties" all supported Chavez "ad nauseum". Unless you had a brief dalliance with your college communist party, that just was never a general position of the left in the United States, let alone an "ad nauseum" position and certainly not a position today as you asserted but couldn't back up in your first post. It is, however, commonly asserted to be a position of the left on right wing media in my experience (yes, I actually read/watch right wing media)

Not sure what this thing is with voices you hear in Rice Krispies, must just be you.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

You clearly have a lot more experience changing your assertions when they're pointed out as baseless cowhand, that's for sure. A bit ironic that it's fine for you to make up what "lefties" believe but when it hits closer to home you don't seem to like it nearly as much. Would be interested to hear you share what liberal experience led you to believe that "lefties" all supported Chavez "ad nauseum". Unless you had a brief dalliance with your college communist party, that just was never a general position of the left in the United States, let alone an "ad nauseum" position and certainly not a position today as you asserted but couldn't back up in your first post. It is, however, commonly asserted to be a position of the left on right wing media in my experience (yes, I actually read/watch right wing media)

Not sure what this thing is with voices you hear in Rice Krispies, must just be you.

Take your meds. Your butt-hurt is wayy out of proportion. You should not be posting if you unravel this quickly.

 

[Sig]

Take your meds. Your butt-hurt is wayy out of proportion. You should not be posting if you unravel this quickly.

Very mature and thoughtful response. Sounds like I touched a nerve. It's just too bad you chose the juvenile response rather than stopping to think about the fallacies you're basing your worldview on. Sad.

 

[JackRab]

May be you ignore that people do lie, and that countries do that as well.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...Campaign-Against-Venezuela-20170715-0013.html
Now one needs to check what is true, what is false and for what purpose.
Also to fully start to understand what lie is all about ( I am not of this person's religion),
here is a very good expanation of what it is all about:

this reminds me of this guy:

EDIT. And I didn't even read SmallStops next post!

May I ask you, just so I can make sure I assess things well:
- Did you believe the media regarding Irak' weapons of mass desructions?
- What did you think of those who did not buy the mass media opinion - including scienists that committed "suicides" after they voiced their opinion ?

 

[JackRab]

"Left vs Right" can be dynamic, changing overtime.

Probably depending on individual country's progress on economy status, progressing from Developing to Developed! Just 2 cents.


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I find it funny how you Americans view Liberals as leftist/socialists. In Europe and in Australia the Liberals are more centre/right. In Australia they have a coalition with the Nationals, which is more conservative.

Weren't the Dems for slavery back in the day? And the Republicans were for abolishment of slavery? Seems swapped around now....

All semantics I guess...

 

[DeltaRisk]

This reminds me of the guy who was saying the Nazi's were clearly "lefties" because "National Socialist German Workers' Party" yep, they looked a bit socialistic to hook the ordinary people but they were a fascist wolf in sheep's clothing.

Hugo Chavez was no Hitler and he was not a socialist either. He was the reincarnation of Juan Peron, the Argentinean populist of over half a century ago.

Peron also denounced the United States and via his wife, Evita (don't cry for me et all), distributed state revenue to the poor of Argentina using language similar to Chavez.

Populist. Even straight out communists realised that what Chavez was doing was never going to fly for long.

Populism is the only thing that has ever scared the elite. It isn't a bad idea, in fact, it might be the most utopian idea.
The fact of the matter is, these despots aren't truly abiding by populistic ideals.

 

[zdreg]

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Populism is the only thing that has ever scared the elite. It isn't a bad idea, in fact, it might be the most utopian idea.
The fact of the matter is, these despots aren't truly abiding by populistic ideals.

true believer communists say communism didn't fail in Russia because it never existed there.

 

[OddTrader]

Why Venezuela is in crisis

Can rabbit meat save Venezuela from going hungry?
by Patrick Gillespie @CNNMoney September 14, 2017


Let them eat rabbits.

That was basically the message from President Nicolas Maduro to Venezuelans starving and struggling through severe food shortages brought on by a spiraling economic crisis.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/14/news/economy/venezuela-maduro-rabbit-plan/index.html

"Plan Rabbit" illustrates the government's extreme measures to alleviate food shortages in Venezuela. Rabbit is not a commonly eaten item in the South American nation, where Bernal conceded that it's mostly viewed as a cute pet.

The agriculture minister argued that rabbits easily reproduce and are a source of protein. He also recommended citizens consider raising and growing other animals and vegetables at home.

It's just the latest attempt to try and solve the food shortage problem. The government forces citizens to pick up groceries on certain days of the week depending on social security numbers. It still sells staple items, such as corn flour, at extremely low prices.

It has also hiked the minimum wage three times this year, though inflation is expected to outrun any wage increases. The IMF forecasts that prices will rise 720% in Venezuela this year.

 

[ElCubano]

I can assure you that the situation in Venezuela is dire, at least for the Non Chavistas. The Chavistas live like Kings. I have countless family and friends who have reported it first hand. They are following in the footsteps of Cuba.