Vanzandt vs. Destriero Trading Competition

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This is going to problem going forward. Where as it took me about 10 seconds to get over my initial confusion and for it to click he was talking about his recent ES trade. However during the day when there is going to much more cross posting and all markets are open and fast moving he needs to be clear about all entries and exits.

Him calling you a 'fucking idiot' every time you have a query and telling me, an impartial observer to 'go fuck yourself', isn't going to help either.

I don't know enough about options to follow this journal properly, so I agree that this will get confusing. But from what I can piece together, this guy is a master. He is posting way more transparently than anyone else has, even if I don't understand it too well, but at least its all there so you can put it together.

His language is harsh, but you gotta understand that this is how they talk in the P&R forum, and although this perhaps shouldn't be allowed here, I think in many ways he has earned the right to talk the way he talks.

I do agree that he was very short tempered with you and you didn't deserve what he said, and hence why I wanted to share my two cents, which are clearly useless, but I understand where you were coming from. Did he really ban you? Can you not see his posts anymore?

 

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Hey, the only reason I am in this silly "competition" is because how he was attacking a member here Max E.
Sooooo.... you can have your have your opinion. But trust me... its wrong.
It wasn't me who got called out to fight somewhere. The guys a perennial dick. I just stand up to bullies, and as he has a lower IQ than I.... so he felt compelled to start this thread. Hell I'm just along for the ride now.

He better leave my buddy Max alone! LOL.... He was the only other journal that I really enjoyed.

You can stand up to bullies, which is admirable, but I do believe for this competition, you're toast. You even didn't really start on the correct day, given the rules he outlined. All of these little things frustrate him, and for good reason. A trader has to be 100% meticulous. The market won't give a shit about who's nice and who's a dick or who has the bigger IQ. Don't get sucked into a war of words, just focus on your trades.

 

[destriero]

Max E and I got into an argument in a P&R thread about Dodd-Frank. He stated that I didn't know anything about prop. He had stated that he had to go offshore with no backstory. I stated that deposit-prop isn't a K-1 issue and he disagreed.

vanzandt took me off ignore to defend Max E.

Max E used to think I knew a bit about trading.

 

[destriero]

Hey, the only reason I am in this silly "competition" is because how he was attacking a member here Max E.
Sooooo.... you can have your have your opinion. But trust me... its wrong.
It wasn't me who got called out to fight somewhere. The guys a perennial dick. I just stand up to bullies, and as he has a lower IQ than I.... so he felt compelled to start this thread. Hell I'm just along for the ride now.

You're down 5%.

 

[southall]

Hey, the only reason I am in this silly "competition" is because how he was attacking a member here Max E.
Sooooo.... you can have your have your opinion. But trust me... its wrong.
It wasn't me who got called out to fight somewhere. The guys a perennial dick. I just stand up to bullies, and as he has a lower IQ than I.... so he felt compelled to start this thread. Hell I'm just along for the ride now.

Asking for screen shots was pretty pointless.
This competition should have been run with all calls made on this journal, also entered into a demo brokerage account, and the full blotter of each account posted and the end of each day by each person.
Probaly a bit late for that now.

 

[vanzandt]

He better leave my buddy Max alone! LOL.... He was the only other journal that I really enjoyed.

You can stand up to bullies, which is admirable, but I do believe for this competition, you're toast. You even didn't really start on the correct day, given the rules he outlined. All of these little things frustrate him, and for good reason. A trader has to be 100% meticulous. The market won't give a shit about who's nice and who's a dick or who has the bigger IQ. Don't get sucked into a war of words, just focus on your trades.

You're preaching to the choir here... I was actually thinking about just putting him back on ignore and trusting the community to keep his trades honest.
I have no problem just posting trades. Period.
And btw his "starting Monday post" ... if you look at the timeline.... it was pretty damn close to when I made that initial trade. I honestly didnt read his post before i made that trade. I may have even been logged off, I don't remember.... but I do know I didnt read that post.... and probably the main reason I didn't read his post is because he posts so much stupid crap when he obsesses over someone.... I didn't feel the need to read it.

 

[destriero]

We can end the bullying tangent right here.

I took issue with Max E's deposit prop status as he was not a K-1 (save for Echo). He said that I knew nothing about trading. It escalated.

Vanzandt, our interactions online could hardly be construed as cyberbullying. You act as if you're a protected class. If so, then please show me where I got racial, sexist, misogynistic, etc.

If you cannot then I suggest that you stick to producing these ridiculous "trades" and you'll hit the max DD at $80K and we can call it a day.

 

[destriero]

 

[Gotcha]

Max E and I got into an argument in a P&R thread about Dodd-Frank. He stated that I didn't know anything about prop. He had stated that he had to go offshore with no backstory. I stated that deposit-prop isn't a K-1 issue and he disagreed.

vanzandt took me off ignore to defend Max E.

Max E used to think I knew a bit about trading.

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Interesting backstory, but clearly one's political views have nothing to do with their ability to trade or their understanding of the markets.

What I find interesting is this. You're obviously the options guy. There was another respected member here, rallymode, who recently said that he couldn't trade direction to save his life. It seems to me that guys who trade options and all these spreads and butterflies etc., do so not because of their ability to trade direction, but their ability to squeeze out mathematical edges from all the complexities of the different strikes and expiries, etc.

Furthermore, trading direction, especially via Price Action, is so vastly different from what you do, that I think its easy to conclude that one camp doesn't know anything from the other camp and can easily assume that they don't know what they are doing. Obviously with trading, the only thing that matters is PnL, and hence why this thread is so awesome, but I think often much confusion and many arguments stem from the fact that people are doing things from different angles and talking about thing they don't know enough about, even if they know enough from the little part they focus on.

 

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LOL, so he clearly doesn't like your current name but liked your previous name!