vantage point software

Quote from Kicking:

It's just amazing how some people are gullible.
I never thought this VP software did anything other than simple trend following and thus was definitely not worth its price.

Unfortunately for something to be sold you have to present outrageous claims -you have to the holygrail", "just 15 min a day". If you tell people they have to work and the signals only work 60-70% of the time, nobody will buy it.

So in a way people get what they deserve.


Also why would anyone here with a proven system spend time defending it. If I have a good system and others who use it can't make money with it and come whining about it, I am not going to tell the world that the system is great and I make plenty of money with it. I will just SHUT UP and laugh all the way to the bank hoping it lasts and not too many buy the system.




I wasted $5,000 on Vantagepoint when I was new to trading. It's funny when I see posts about it here.

Lane's a fairly nice guy but their product sucks.

TraderCHAT was shut down probably because many people who owned vantagepoint found it to be of little value, and its cost largely overstated.

Bad PR.
 
Quote from Tango46:

Interesting, I did not know about the C2 site, will definitely check that out, it looks very cool!

I hope you realize, I'm not here to 'sell' VantagePoint or something like that, as I actually have no financial interest in the discussion -- I'm just a VP purchaser, who yes spent a bunch of money on it, and has worked pretty long & hard to get to the point of understanding how to use at least some of the power in the software effectively. I like sharing that with people who also have the SW and want to see at least one of many ways it can be used.

And 2nd, you do realize that on the TraderPlanet forum, I indeed post trades live, at entry, based on the method, -- and not in retrospect -- and let the chips fall where they may on the outcomes? That is the case.

The forum is at
http://traderplanet.com/forums/strategy-trading/48-trading-gbp-usd-using-vantagepoint-sw.html

I am attaching to this post a .jpg of the USD/JPY back test history I described in the previous post.

Also, if anyone is interested, there is a Newsletters page on TraderPlanet that includes several newsletters of interest, including 1 with VantagePoint strategies -- all free. The Newsletters are under the Education tab and the link is

http://traderplanet.com/index.php?page=newsletter

Cheers :cool:


Any progress on posting your trades on an independently verifiable service like Collective C2? I'm interested to know why you cant do that given all you have said about VP.
 
Hi

I recently spent some time analysing VantagePoint's "Predictive Neural Index" indicator and thought I'd share the results with you. As you will see, although the specific claims the company makes appear to be accurate, as far as I can tell it's still completely worthless. The following text is a copy of an email I sent to the company on 21st May 2012.

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I've taken a look at the analyses by Dr Meyer and Dr Warnock, and also of those by Dr Harris and Dr Arcuri. Although their tests were technically accurate in terms of their methods and conclusions, I'm afraid I cannot see any evidence that VantagePoint's Predictive Neural Index (PNI) indicator is capable of providing any statistically-significant advantage, nor in fact that it has any predictive abilities beyond those available with simple, traditional (and free) indicators. Furthermore, I believe I can demonstrate conclusively that it does not –_at least with the sample data you provided.

The PNI indicator is described as a prediction of whether the 3-day simple moving average (SMA) of the typical price will be higher or lower in 2 days time. As I'm sure you know, a 3-day SMA in 2 days time will still use today's data for one third of its calculation. Also, a 3-day SMA lags the price by 1.5 days, so the prediction is only really for half a day in the future. Furthermore, by using the typical price (ie the average of the high, low and closing prices), the PNI does not even provide a directional forecast that you could reasonably expect to trade, since it only applies to the range of the price, not the closing price.

I compared the results from the PNI with some very simple predictions of my own based on the current slope of a moving average over various periods and using several different averaging methods. In each of these tests, I predicted a rise in the 3-day SMA of the typical price in 2 days time (equivalent to a PNI of 1) where the slope of the moving average was positive, and a fall (equivalent to a PNI of 0) where the slope was negative. The full results are included in the attached spreadsheet.

For the sample data that you supplied, from June 2010 to May 2012, the PNI indicator achieved 78.1% accuracy for both the S&P 500 and the GBPUSD. Over the same period, the slope of a 3-day exponential moving average of the closing price, for example, produced an accuracy of 78.2% for the S&P 500 and 77.6% for the GBPUSD. With a 2-day exponential moving average, the accuracy for the S&P 500 increased to over 80%, while still achieving an accuracy of 76.4% for the GBPUSD. On average, these results have an accuracy of 78.1% – identical to those achieved by VantagePoint's PNI indicator.

I accept it is possible that the PNI may perform better if I were to test it over a wider range of markets (and I would be happy to do so if you were to provide the additional data). However, given my understanding of the mathematics involved – and given that your own published results state very similar accuracies –_I would be very surprised if this were the case. I'm also surprised that the mathematicians and scientists who have verified your results have apparently failed to spot these facts.

If you believe I have made some error in my calculations, or have some other information you can provide that might change my opinion of VantagePoint, I would be very interested to hear it. As a courtesy, I will wait until Saturday 26th May before sharing these results via my blog, or any other website, in order to give you sufficient time to respond.

Marcus Don
bionictrader.co.uk
 
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