US State Department Says New Testament is Anti-Semitic Hate Speech

[stu]

Well I can’t wear you down as I trust I’m on ignore , so up yours ratty.

Estimated 3 million victims murdered by Stalin. Scholars, scientists, cultural leaders, artists, (including said 200, 000 (6%) clergy), Of all groups, rich and poor, aristocricy and peasants, agnostics theists atheists all, does not show any intent toward or the reality of a Christian genocide whatsoever.

Zealous Christians play the cry wolf persecution card all too readily and at their peril, it soon makes them look like complete tossers of the kind ratboy obviously is.

 

[Sparohok]

Quote from ratboy88:

why are you so scared of the word genocide?

I'm scared of you, or anyone else, cheapening the word genocide to the point where it has lost its meaning. This is important, because, as we saw in this very thread, people like you are eager to distract from the horror of the Holocaust by claiming incorrectly that other religious groups suffered worse genocides.

Genocide is the intent to physically eradicate an entire ethnic or religious group. The Bolsheviks never intended to kill all of the Christians in Russia. Indeed, those 200,000 clergy were only about 0.25% of the Christian population of Russia at the time, whereas Hitler exterminated about 67% of the Jews in Europe. So, intent is in fact critical, and that's exactly why the Bolsheviks were not committing genocide against Christians.

Let's finish this. Are you willing to admit that you were off by more than two orders of magnitude, and what you called the genocide of 40-60 million Christians was actually the politically motivated killings of 200,000 Orthodox clergy during the Red Terror? Although even that is a gross overestimate, I'll take it if it means we don't have to do this anymore.

Martin

 

[Rearden Metal]

Quote from ratboy88:


when drug companies keep putting mercury in vaccines and lie about ... well you see where i am going with this. maybe i should be grateful for the hyper spike in autism cases... but i guess i am not as smart, popular and trendy as you are. i am 'leave it to beaver' old fashioned. a cornball of sorts.

no rearden.. i am not an open minded progressive... no... you caught me.

My lack of desire to hastily jump to definite conclusions without sufficient evidence is one thing, while quiet & compliant tolerance towards evil acts such as the thimerosal-autism coverup is something else entirely!

You're trying to link two entirely unrelated concepts, kind of like Bush did with Saddam and 9/11.

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[Rearden Metal]

Quote from Sparohok:

100 million is worldwide, not in Russia, and inflated at that. Based on my research, and the source I posted, even 40 million is a considerable overestimate of the number of Christians who died at the hands of Communists in Russia. However, I have no desire to minimize their suffering; in any case, whatever the number, it is horrifying.

The key issue is motive, and the word genocide. You can't pretend this is a surprise. I've noted 5 times in the last 5 tiresome days that it's not genocide unless you have killings specifically targeted at Christians.

This isn't just a matter of your choice of words. The original context from which this discussion arose was Jews and their fear of anti-Semitism. I mentioned that Jews had an obvious reason to fear anti-Semitism because, in living memory, a significant proportion of world Jewry was exterminated, specifically and only because they were Jews. Thankfully, the same is not true for Christians. Whether Jews' fear of anti-Semitism is rational or not, at least it is founded in historical fact. Christians do not have a commensurate reason to fear for their lives.

That was when you came up with this charade about a genocide of 40-60 million Russian Christians. If those people died for reasons that had nothing to do with their specific religion, then why would you bring it up in that context?

Ratboy, I've never seen someone play out such a weak hand for so long. Why don't you just fold? This is wasting all of our time.

Martin

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[bluebolt]

Quote from jack hershey:



As for me I am a legend over five generations at this point.

Aaaaaaaaaahahhahahahhahhaaaa

Oh dear you poor deluded old fart

Please post a link to your accomplishments spanning the last 50 years

Here's the safest bet all day.. you won't be able to

You are a failed insurance salesman that has to live off his partner and out of her house... -24% is the entirety of your track record

In short you are a clown riding the downtown dementia express to the cemetary for failed fools

 

[piezoe]

Quote from ratboy88:


" when drug companies keep putting mercury in vaccines and lie about ... well you see where i am going with this. maybe i should be grateful for the hyper spike in autism cases... but i guess i am not as smart, popular and trendy as you are. i am 'leave it to beaver' old fashioned. a cornball of sorts.

no rearden.. i am not an open minded progressive... no... you caught me."


Rat, Heard an expert on Autism being interviewed not long ago. They claim that in non-vaccinated populations (don't know where they find those?) the incidence of Autism is statistically the same as in vaccinated populations.

They are obviously wrong, because every time a kid is diagnosed with autism it turns out the kid's been vaccinated! That's like 100% proof right there, right?

I've been vaccinated, many times in fact, and so i spend my days waiting to come down with autism. It's bound to happen.

P.S. Rat. Would you do one small favor please and put me on ignore. Thanks,

 

[Rearden Metal]

Quote from piezoe:

Quote from ratboy88:


" when drug companies keep putting mercury in vaccines and lie about ... well you see where i am going with this. maybe i should be grateful for the hyper spike in autism cases... but i guess i am not as smart, popular and trendy as you are. i am 'leave it to beaver' old fashioned. a cornball of sorts.

no rearden.. i am not an open minded progressive... no... you caught me."


Rat, Heard an expert on Autism being interviewed not long ago. They claim that in non-vaccinated populations (don't know where they find those?) the incidence of Autism is statistically the same as in vaccinated populations.

They are obviously wrong, because every time a kid is diagnosed with autism it turns out the kid's been vaccinated! That's like 100% proof right there, right?

I've been vaccinated, many times in fact, and so i spend my days waiting to come down with autism. It's bound to happen.

P.S. Rat. Would you do one small favor please and put me on ignore. Thanks,

NO, this is one issue where ratboy has a solid point.
Thimerosal containing vaccines are just one of three main possible ways for a person to become contaminated with mercury, causing symptoms that are indistinguishable from autism. Large fish (like tuna), and 'silver' dental fillings are the other two.

Bottom line is that by chelating (removing) the mercury from the body of an autistic child, he/she (usually he) can be completely cured of autism. There have been many such cases, fully documented, including the son of 90's hottie Jenny McCarthy.
Unlike some of ratboy's other claims, the mercury-autism connection is 100% legit.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from piezoe:

Quote from ratboy88:


" when drug companies keep putting mercury in vaccines and lie about ... well you see where i am going with this. maybe i should be grateful for the hyper spike in autism cases... but i guess i am not as smart, popular and trendy as you are. i am 'leave it to beaver' old fashioned. a cornball of sorts.

no rearden.. i am not an open minded progressive... no... you caught me."


Rat, Heard an expert on Autism being interviewed not long ago. They claim that in non-vaccinated populations (don't know where they find those?) the incidence of Autism is statistically the same as in vaccinated populations.

They are obviously wrong, because every time a kid is diagnosed with autism it turns out the kid's been vaccinated! That's like 100% proof right there, right?

I've been vaccinated, many times in fact, and so i spend my days waiting to come down with autism. It's bound to happen.

P.S. Rat. Would you do one small favor please and put me on ignore. Thanks,

the amish community does not vaccinate except in very very rare circumstances. they have almost zero cases of autism.

and depending on ur age piehole... it wouldn't effect you. the vaccination requirements jumped in the nineties.. thats why we are seeing it spike with today's kids. fool!

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Sparohok:

I'm scared of you, or anyone else, cheapening the word genocide to the point where it has lost its meaning. This is important, because, as we saw in this very thread, people like you are eager to distract from the horror of the Holocaust by claiming incorrectly that other religious groups suffered worse genocides.

Genocide is the intent to physically eradicate an entire ethnic or religious group. The Bolsheviks never intended to kill all of the Christians in Russia. Indeed, those 200,000 clergy were only about 0.25% of the Christian population of Russia at the time, whereas Hitler exterminated about 67% of the Jews in Europe. So, intent is in fact critical, and that's exactly why the Bolsheviks were not committing genocide against Christians.

Let's finish this. Are you willing to admit that you were off by more than two orders of magnitude, and what you called the genocide of 40-60 million Christians was actually the politically motivated killings of 200,000 Orthodox clergy during the Red Terror? Although even that is a gross overestimate, I'll take it if it means we don't have to do this anymore.

dude.. thats just the clergy.... i am not backing off my estimates for even a second. your killin me man. 40 million Christians died at the hands of these atheistic butchers. i will not back away from this ... i will call it genocide and... now after seeing Clinton's Law i will refer to it as a Holocaust.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Rearden Metal:

My lack of desire to hastily jump to definite conclusions without sufficient evidence is one thing, while quiet & compliant tolerance towards evil acts such as the thimerosal-autism coverup is something else entirely!

You're trying to link two entirely unrelated concepts, kind of like Bush did with Saddam and 9/11.

no.. my point is that depending on the issue.... i will respond accordingly. you try to label me as judgmental and rigid in my positions.

when people are being hurt(war... vaccines...fluoride).. and i have done research on the dynamic i will act accordingly.

no straw man at all... a little surprised rearden. i am not dogmatic.... regardless of what you think. these acts of hostility deserve emotional responses.

unfortunately i see too many things accelerating now.... i wish it weren't so. these nuts are itching to bomb Iran and it is all based on lies again.

so put your little straw man away until it is appropriate.