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US State Department Says New Testament is Anti-Semitic Hate Speech
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1. http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html There are dozens of sites which show that hitler private comments were anti church and christian. He saw the chruch as a threat to his goals.
2. Perhaps.. but the Spanish Inquistion was used by the monarchy of Spain - which conflicts with your state that it was an effect of the Chruch's ideology. Religion was used by Monarchs for political power.
2. Perhaps.. but the Spanish Inquistion was used by the monarchy of Spain - which conflicts with your state that it was an effect of the Chruch's ideology. Religion was used by Monarchs for political power.
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"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work." 1938 - Hitler - Reichstag speech.
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," Hitler to Gerhard Engel 1941
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Any sort of credible critical examination will lead to the reasonable conclusion that the Inquisition was the judgment made by the Roman Catholic Church of heresy.
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The Crusades started out in reply to a plea from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine (Roman / Catholic / Christian) Empire to recapture Jerusalem from Muslim rule and restrict expansion of Turks into Anatolia, which is in fact ironically part of Turkey. In any event are you saying 2 wrongs make a right? Up until the Crusades, Christianity was not all that bothered about such far off places like Jerusalem, until ideology changed its collective mind.
Stalin acted in the ideology of Communism and the Roman Catholic Church in the ideology of Christianity
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1. http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html There are dozens of sites which show that hitler private comments were anti church and christian. He saw the chruch as a threat to his goals.
2. Perhaps.. but the Spanish Inquistion was used by the monarchy of Spain - which conflicts with your state that it was an effect of the Chruch's ideology. Religion was used by Monarchs for political power.
No doubt there are. Dozens of xian apologist sites which show Hitler's 'private' comments. But I gave Hitler's PUBLIC comments and ones which he made out loud himself. Ones that are not second hand. Ones not tampered with for reasons of a Catholic Church trying to absolve or disconnect itself from its own actions or the actions of its members, such as Hitler. The Catholic Church could have at least easily taken a small step towards disassociating itself by excommunicating Hitler. It did not.
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There's no perhaps about it. The Inquisition was the judgment of the Christian Catholic Church. That the monarchy hopped on a bandwagon the Church had built is somewhat irrelevant.
Christianity is an ideology, It drove the Inquisition and the Crusades and it can be clearly seen how Christianity by the Catholic Church, directly and indirectly drove and supported Hitler and his ideologies in turn.
The point being, the ideology of Communism drove Stalin and the ideology of Christianity drove the Inquisition, drove and gave if nothing else, political succor to Hitler.
Atheism, not being an ideology, is not a driving force the way theism is.
LOL, lame ratboy, very lame. Communism is all about class struggle, unlike your baseless claims of "Christian Holocaust" the fact that class struggle is the cornerstone of communism is documented everywhere, in the works of Karl Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Brezhnev, khrushchev, Gorbachev, in the Communist Manifesto, in history books, scientific papers etc.Quote from ratboy88:
look, she called me a nazi even though i vehemently condemn hitler. i dont question the holocaust and i didnt post anything remotely anti-semitic? did you even watch what i posted? stalin was a christian... was thinking of becoming a priest and then became an atheist and a butcher. (according to the video)
communism had nothing to do with class struggle.. that is the bs propaganda sold to idiots like you.. and u can't wait to gobble it up. im sorry but millions of christians were systematically murdered and your venom towards me for bringing it up is worse than any skinhead hate group. you are pure filth for denigrating these peoples' mass deaths.
if you are stupid enough to blame me for the links of videos, i suggest you call Sergey Brin and Larry Page. they are responsible for the algorithms not me.
as for communism having nothing to do with religion? ummm.. u need to go read some more.. it was absolutely part of the communist plank. abolition of religion along with property ownership and other barbaric idea's which sound eerily similar to the 2008 democrats.
If a search engine in response to your inquiry based on your keywords returns a bunch of anti-semitic links it pretty much tells you about the company you keep and has nothing precious to do with this search engine's owners. It merely demonstrates that people making claims similar to yours are overwhelmingly jew-hating conspiracy nuts.
And yes, communism did discourage/ban ALL religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc), did persecute religious activists and did murder a number of them but calling it Holocaust is a deliberate attempt to cheapen the meaning of the real Holocaust.
And as far as your denunciations and condemnations are concerned - as I said before in all your posts you're doing your best to absolve the Nazi and Islamists of the crimes they commit and to minimize, obfuscate and whitewash crimes committed against the jews or sidetrack those discussions. You're not fooling anyone, your denunciations are as hollow and hypocritical as Yasser Arafat's condemnations of attacks on civilians.
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So, where's the evidence of a genocide of 40-60 million Christians in Russia? Those videos you posted don't say any such thing.
im sorry... i posted info and you ignore it? i guess my next project will be proving the sky is blue.
please feel free to tell me how many Christians died at the hands of these barbaric atheistic communists? lets start there.
if anyone questioned the jewish holocaust the way you are attacking the murders of these Christians... they would be under the jail.
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LOL, lame ratboy, very lame. Communism is all about class struggle, unlike your baseless claims of "Christian Holocaust" the fact that class struggle is the cornerstone of communism is documented everywhere, in the works of Karl Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Brezhnev, khrushchev, Gorbachev, in the Communist Manifesto, in history books, scientific papers etc.
communism has zero to do with class struggle... it's failure was always known from the beginning. it was sold that way just as the socialists in this country pretend to sell their brand of toned down communism with the assistance of todays filthy politicians on the left.
the plank is still the same... as is the goal. if for a second you believe otherwise you are one of the dumbed down idiots they forth over.
communism is one big eugenics program. and i don't mean the nice nice definition in the mainstream.
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And as far as your denunciations and condemnations are concerned - as I said before in all your posts you're doing your best to absolve the Nazi and Islamists of the crimes they commit and to minimize, obfuscate and whitewash crimes committed against the jews or sidetrack those discussions. You're not fooling anyone, your denunciations are as hollow and hypocritical as Yasser Arafat's condemnations of attacks on civilians.
ummm... if you haven't noticed i am extremely anti-war and anti-violence. I abhor it! i condemn the group i feel to be in the wrong. that must be a foreign concept to you.
i voted for Bush in 2000 and now i am his biggest critic... he even claims to be Christian and conservative. so ummmm.... why would i change my mind about him? DUHHHH ! i am not a racist like you are.
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And yes, communism did discourage/ban ALL religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc), did persecute religious activists and did murder a number of them but calling it Holocaust is a deliberate attempt to cheapen the meaning of the real Holocaust.
i would like for everyone to see what a true racist looks like. one group's deaths are real and the others' who happen to be Christians ... well theirs aren't real.
i have seen it all now. thank you for exposing your racist mindset. i will be putting you on ignore after your next racist post.
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please feel free to tell me how many Christians died at the hands of these barbaric atheistic communists?
Here is a fully sourced and well documented account of deaths in both World Wars and in the Soviet Union. Guess what, you don't have to watch any videos.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
So, I'll make it easy on you. Just tell us which of those deaths make up the genocide of 40-60 million Christians you are referring to.
Martin
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OK, here's something I never understood:
According to the New Testament, Jesus was indisputably NOT killed by his fellow Jews, but rather perished at the hand of Roman soldiers, right?
Jesus' fellow Jews did have a role in bestowing the one available pardon on a hero of the anti-Roman rebellion, indirectly causing Jesus not to benefit from this possible pardon opportunity... but no Jew took part in the actual crucifixion, right?
So seriously, I'd like to know: What's the deal with all this "Jews killed Jesus" talk?
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Is no one familiar with the New Testament?
Yes, Turok and I are familiar with it.
Basically, the New Testament is about a teacher who taught with parables. He had only parables because the difference between his home [the Kingdom of God] and this world was so different, he could only make comparisons and tell stories. Salvation depended on those "who have ears to hear", meaning, only as the parables are understood could they possibly help the "lost".
The betrayal, crucifixion, death and resurrection sequence was simply another parable. So it is a parody. It is no less a parody than all of the "passion plays" that make a parody of it. Only as the parody is understood does it have any effect toward salvation for those "who have ears to hear". Because it is a parody, the Jews are not any more guilty of killing me than Bob the grocer who plays the high priest every year in his church's annual passion play.
To understand the parody, one must understand that the truth about me is the truth about everyone. The existence of man is a parody, indeed, a rediculous parody on God's creation. God's creation is the Son of God. This is Reality. Man symbolizes the re-creation of the Son opposite himself, in the image of an opposite father. Everything about man is unreal, hence, a parody.
The parody of the cross and resurrection tells the story of man's existence from beginning to end. At the beginning of man's story is the Son of God. At the end is the Son of God. Hence, "I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end". In between is the crucifixion of the Son of God, having transformed himself into something opposite himself, namely, "man". Hence, man is a mistake, or what I would call a "sin", but not a sin as man thinks himself sinful. The belief in guilt begins the transformation of the Son into man. Man is not guilty...he merely believes in the concept of guilt...which is false. While beliefs determine actions, man will continue to act crazy while he believes himself guilty.
Man's existence is merely relative. It is always relative to the Son of God who is innocent. Unrelated to the Son, man is a confused and bloody mess. Man symbolizes a shapeshifting Son, shifting himself from formlessness [spirit] into form [flesh]. This was a mistake. It is not a mistake that our Father punishes. Rather, it is a mistake because it results in pain and suffering. It goes with the territory, so-to-speak. It's the nature of the beast. So there is no one really to blame. Do you blame a snake for biting you? The snake is just doing what it does. When man ceases to believe in guilt, the snakes will stop biting him.
As the parody of crucifixion so clearly demonstrates, man's genesis begins not in a "garden of eden", but rather, as a war between the Father and the Son. As you should know by now, the Truth is the first casualty of war. The biblical "Genesis" story is basically propoganda in such a war. Who attacked whom first? Why? Doesn't matter: it is all hypothetical...imaginary.
Man procedes from imagination, and remains as images in the mind of the Son of God...in the image of war. The concept of man is a defense, made to shield the Son from the truth, and keep the war games going. Man is camaflauge. Man is the "fig leaf" in Genesis lore. Man arises out of guilt. He serves to cover guilt. He does not serve to dispell guilt or end the war. Rather he serves to keep truth out of the conflict, hide the hypothetical origins of guilt, and keep guilt alive. So long as man fights for his own existence, he keeps guilt alive. That is, guilt and man's existence are synonymous. If guilt were dispelled, man would cease to exist. Therefore, man and innocence are antithetical to each other. When man is faced with the truth about the innocence of God's Son, he adopts a kill or be killed mentality. With this mentality, guilt is the "truth", so the truthful [the innocent] must be guilty, blasphemous, and so must die. This is, of course, insane. Insane notions about the Son define "sin". I have, however, reduced all of this to a mistake, no more significant than a "dream".
Hence, man is a tool in the war between Father and Son and symbolizes "arms", that is, weapons of defense. As such, man is no more real than the imagination of Calvin of the Calvin and Hobbes comic strip.
Man tortures the mind of the Son like a "drop dead beautiful" woman tortures the mind of man. The drop dead beautiful woman is always "so close, and yet so far away". She represents something he wants, but can never really have...kind of like Anna Kournikova. The problem is the Son cannot every really have what does not exist. But he can sure as hell imagine he can. This confuses him, and he loses track of what is real and what is not. In this way, the world was made by faith in what is unreal, and made to seem real. It is the effect of desiring both what is real and what is not real, as if what is not real could add to the Son's happiness. This is the true meaning of "lust". It is the Son wanting both what is, and what is not himself. Man is not the Son, but the Son does want the experience that manhood offers...if only for the hell of it.
Consequently, the Son's mind goes to hell in a hand-basket, so-to-speak. Reality succumbs to unreality, and Life itself *dies*. Life dies when it thinks in terms of "my god, my god, why have you forsaken me?" This is the kind of propoganda that kills. It is why I told Jem that the idea that you can "piss God off" is devilish. It kills. And that is why the propoganda in the book of Genesis kills...through the power of belief. Belief in guilt is what kills man. It is passed on from generation to generation through propagation of the propaganda. It infects the mind of man and expresses itself in the symbol of the "Pharisee", or, the teachers of false docrine. These are "whitewashed tombs" because they are alive on the outside, but death on the inside. Their words procede from death, and kill any who will listen and heed them.
Man [outside] has listened to this propoganda which procedes from his subconscious mind[inside]. So he "lives" "from womb to tomb". He is literally born to die.
As I said, the crucifixion/resurrection sequence is a parody of man's existence, his beginning and his end. Man's existence ends with the resurrection. Only the Son of God rises from the dead. Only if man is the Son of God will he live. Man will live when he wakes up from his dream of exile and death...wakes up to the fact that he is the Son of God! Man will wake up from his nightmare because my resurrection is also a prophecy. It is man's destiny. So it is "good news".
Until then, the blame game continues, keeping guilt alive instead. The resurrection predicts the outcome of this conflict.
Jesus