US State Department Says New Testament is Anti-Semitic Hate Speech

[achilles28]

Quote from Sparohok:

This thread is retarded. The original poster utterly overreacted to a innocuous statement taken out of context & misunderstood. (As for the historicity of Jesus, that couldn't possibly be less relevant.)

The truth is, a lot of anti-Semitic rhetoric does dwell on the role of Jews in the death of Jesus. When someone applies that connection to modern Israel, implying that there is a noteworthy link between Israelis and the death of Jesus, there is in fact an extremely good chance you're looking at anti-Semitic propaganda...

The key is to "take into account the overall context" as the document suggests. Clearly in the context of the New Testament, nobody's inclined to level charges of anti-Semitism, whereas in a different context it could be a good indicator of an anti-Semitic agenda.

Bullshit.

You're gay! (statement?)

You're gay! (derogatory remark?)

Whose going parse the difference? The Thought Police? Perhaps the Jewish Thought Police?

Leaving a lot to interpretation there, Sparohok?

How many Jews do you know would *not* be offended - on its face - by a bland, expressionless rendition, 'the Jews killed Jesus'. Not many.

Many Jews, unfortunately, are hypersensitive to anything that can be faintly construed as 'Anti-Semitic.'

Given that most Christians who study scripture recite - sometimes, with great enthusiasm - the Biblical tenet, "Jews killed Jesus", its sets the stage for an over-zealous State Department obsessed with "Hate Speech" to just chalk it all up to anti-semitic talk.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from achilles28:

Still sore from that smackdown I gave you on the AR thread, Hapadouche?

ROFLMAO!

If that was a "smackdown," Khomeini was Jewish!

So much fun watching you twist in the wind, over and over, regurgitating your endless "the US gubment is evil, attacked us on 9/11, and will do so again!" schtick.

A few eggs short of an omelette, you are. Seek professional help. Eventually even your friends (if you have any) will tire of your "can I sleep in your basement because the NSA has bugged my room" delusions.

Have a great day!

 

[Sparohok]

Quote from achilles28:

You're gay! (statement?)

You're gay! (derogatory remark?)

Whose going parse the difference? The Thought Police? Perhaps the Jewish Thought Police?

All of us, every day in our adult lives, have to parse the difference between statements that could be friendly banter, could be aggressive & hateful, or could simply be factual, all depending on the tone and context. It's a simple test that you utterly failed when you went nuts over this harmless State Department document.

How many Jews do you know would *not* be offended - on its face - by a bland, expressionless rendition, 'the Jews killed Jesus'. Not many.

I honestly don't know. If I were the one making that bland, expressionless statement to them, I doubt any one of them would be offended. Context, again.

In any case, the fact remains that the New Testament <i>does not contain the words 'the Jews killed Jesus' anywhere</i>. It doesn't even imply a wider racial blame, it simply records the facts of who did what. Indeed it would be odd if it did, for Jesus and all twelve disciples were racially Jewish.

Many Jews, unfortunately, are hypersensitive to anything that can be faintly construed as 'Anti-Semitic.'

Sure, of course they are. And many Christians are hypersensitive to anything that can be faintly construed as 'Anti-Christian.' Go back, reread your post that started this thread. If the shoe fits, wear it.

I know it's tacky to bring this up, but at least the Jews have a good reason to be paranoid. A reason that occured in living memory, not 2000 years ago.

Martin

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Sparohok:


I know it's tacky to bring this up, but at least the Jews have a good reason to be paranoid. A reason that occured in living memory, not 2000 years ago.

victim card alert.

more 'white christians' were genocided in russia... from 40 to 60 million. many at the hands of the bolsheviks.

 

[I am...]

Quote from jem:

So stu is free to say jesus did not exist. He is bound by no stardards.

"Jew" symbolizes self-concepts in denial of Self. Self is reality. So it comes down to what does not exist in denial of what exists. Sound crazy? Well why do you think it's called "sin"? Man's sinlessness depends on his non-existence because his existence depends upon sin. Thus, man's existence denies the existence of reality, intending to replace it with his own alledged "reality". Man is extremely touchy about his reality...about his right to exist. This is symbolized by the state of Israel which fights for it's right to exist while it displaces the previous occupants of the land, seemingly bound by no standards of conduct. The fact is, Israel is not real, and does not have a mandate from our Father to do anything except to deny itself its existence.

As such, Stu expresses what Israel symbolizes. To him, reality is fairyland, some elven kingdom in the middle of nowhere. Who can blame him? His very existence is at stake when it comes to my reality. On the path home, the journeyman cannot coexist with the troll under the bridge. Does that sound anti-trollistic?

There is no one tribe of man that is more real or more unreal than another. They are all equally unreal. Tribalism asserts reality for itself. Special status is another way of insisting upon tribal reality. As such, Israel symbolizes all of man, since these are man's way's of proving his existence. Proof of man's existence inevitably leads to war with himself. Rather, man's existence derives from war with oneSelf. So it is a vicious cycle until man "disarms". To disarm, man must deny the existence of his arms and legs...meanwhile converting them to "plowshares" in service of the truth.

Jesus

 

[Thunderdog]

Personally, I think that the Politics and Religion forum should be renamed. I think that Bullshit Forum would be a more accurate title.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Thunderdog:

Personally, I think that the Politics and Religion forum should be renamed. I think that Bullshit Forum would be a more accurate title.

i was thinking Victim Cards, Hate/Thought Crimes & Neocons

 

[jem]

to i am not...

I think therefor I am. Descarte

You really have to counter to that.

Now to paraphrase from Plato

In the cave is turth and we see shadows of the truth. Our job is to figure out what truth and realty are.

We have to believe that as we refine our tools and our minds we get closer to Realty - or we have no reason to care.

You - seem to have no reason to care - because you have absolutely no way of even coming close to verifying the accuracy of your beliefs.

After doing my search - I believe there are enough clues in the bible to believe that it contains the most shadows in the cave. In fact it may contain all of them but my faculties are admittedly limited.

I therefore choose to believe that Jesus made certain statements which were recorded. I act on those statements believing them to be true. If I am wrong I might piss of God - who I still believe in and may forgive me. If I am really wrong I might piss off no one or no thing or they might not care or respond or they might. Only Goodness knows.

However you have created an entirely new vague unverifiable belief structure.... what is the point? Are you expecting people to worship you and give you cash and sex?

Quote from I am...:

"Jew" symbolizes self-concepts in denial of Self. Self is reality. So it comes down to what does not exist in denial of what exists. Sound crazy? Well why do you think it's called "sin"? Man's sinlessness depends on his non-existence because his existence depends upon sin. Thus, man's existence denies the existence of reality, intending to replace it with his own alledged "reality". Man is extremely touchy about his reality...about his right to exist. This is symbolized by the state of Israel which fights for it's right to exist while it displaces the previous occupants of the land, seemingly bound by no standards of conduct. The fact is, Israel is not real, and does not have a mandate from our Father to do anything except to deny itself its existence.

As such, Stu expresses what Israel symbolizes. To him, reality is fairyland, some elven kingdom in the middle of nowhere. Who can blame him? His very existence is at stake when it comes to my reality. On the path home, the journeyman cannot coexist with the troll under the bridge. Does that sound anti-trollistic?

There is no one tribe of man that is more real or more unreal than another. They are all equally unreal. Tribalism asserts reality for itself. Special status is another way of insisting upon tribal reality. As such, Israel symbolizes all of man, since these are man's way's of proving his existence. Proof of man's existence inevitably leads to war with himself. Rather, man's existence derives from war with oneSelf. So it is a vicious cycle until man "disarms". To disarm, man must deny the existence of his arms and legs...meanwhile converting them to "plowshares" in service of the truth.

Jesus

 

[achilles28]

Quote from hapaboy:

ROFLMAO!

If that was a "smackdown," Khomeini was Jewish!

So much fun watching you twist in the wind, over and over, regurgitating your endless "the US gubment is evil, attacked us on 9/11, and will do so again!" schtick.

Wheres your Islamic Takeover of the US, Hapaboy? I still can't see it.

Coulter says they're gonna KILL US ALL in our sleep. The Horror.

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from achilles28:

Normally, I steer clear of theological 'debates' that double as bigoted demagoguery.

Vilifying modern-day Jewry for their ancestors hand in Christs death is as pointless as it is stupid.

As a Christian, Jesus had to be crucified by Jews to fulfill Biblical prophecy.

Further, contemporary Jews bear as much responsibility for killing Christ as Bible-belt "evangelicals" are responsible for the Crusades.


But when the US State Department declares fundamental pillars of the Christian faith "anti-Semitic" because they depict Jews from TWO MILLENIA AGO in a bad light, well F*CK YOU State Department.

My First Amendment Right as an American gives me Freedom of Speech AND Religion.

That means whether your Zionist-loving ass likes it or not, you won't re-write the Christian Bible or silence it through anti-semitic smear attempts and defamations.

Now the US Government is going to tell me that as a Jesus-believing Christian, I'm an Anti-Semite??

I'm being careful here not to make blanket statements about "the Jews", in general.

Under the header "Defining Anti-Semitism":

Examples of the ways in which anti-Semitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel....could include:

...Using the symbols and images associated with CLASSIC ANTI-SEMITISM (e.g., CLAIMS THE JEWS KILLED JESUS or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis. pg7.

And again on pg 81.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/102301.pdf



BTW, our Department of Thought Crimes also declared you anti-semitic if you:

-- Claim Jews have undue influence in the nations media, economy or Government.

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Good points A28;
I read the State Dept 14 points that are an example of anti-Semitism, had to Google it. And very few Christians blame Jews for killing Christ in USA.

Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures,was buried , rose again the third day,according to trhe scriptures. That is the gospel [good news] We really cant blame any group.

Actually i wold have liked for them to note the high % of anti-Semites in the UN, so i will note that here.

And while the State Dept has free speech rights also;
like the way Christian leaders have exposed/rebuked State Dept sins/pressure on Israel to give up land.

Hopefully they will use common sense & wisdom when they look @ Scriptural exhortations. Some of the old Testament Hebrew prophets were tough on Israeli sin, Israeli leaders, but to call that anti-Semitism would be false, & infringement of free speech.

Don't really think the State Dept is calling Christians anti-Semites;
how ever when you look for the devil, look in the pulpit also.
Look for Farachan friends like Rev Wright also,when you look for the devil.