US Soldier: Snapped Grinning over Iraqi Corpse

[hapaboy]

Quote from TigerO:

"Those animals" as you choose to tag them are just defending their country

LOL! So these are patriots were fighting against?!? Those prisoners were NOT "defending their country." They are defending the power they held over their fellow countrymen for decades - power to imprison, torture, rape, and murder with impunity.

the US presence in Iraq has achieved no better than the Saddam it purported to replace, by some counts even far worse if taking the current anarchy, terror, rampant bombings and kidnappings etc into count.

PUHLEEZE. The fighting is concentrated in a few cities. Iraqis no longer have to fear being hustled away by secret police without cause, to be fed feet-first into shredders, to have their women picked up off the street on a whim by some Ba'athist and then raped and tortured. They do have to fear the colleagues of the Abu Ghraib prisoners, who, if given the opportunity, would gladly revert to the atrocities - REAL atrocities - of the Ba'ath regime, and in the meantime are quite content to use their fellow Iraqis as human shields.

The incidents at the prison were indeed dishonorable, but in no way were they systematic. They were isolated aberrations that on the whole were far less severe than what prisoners had to endure there under Saddam's henchmen.

Get your head out of your ass and take a nice clean breath of common sense.

 

[jonnyy40]

I believe they were (are) systematic.America,Britain and anyone else will go to sufficient lengths to ensure their security when they need to.What else are wars about?You are now engaged in 'The war on Terrorism'.The mistake is entrusting any softening up process to reservists and private contractors instead of regular army and specialist government agencies.Going into Iraq in a hurry and on a shoe-string are not the actions of a government that believes it has the full support of its people.It makes people question (further) the motives for the invasion.
People won't tolerate their loved ones being killed or maimed or their cash being spent in the large amounts this project will demand without the belief that the ends justify it.Bush (or a more sensible mouth-piece) should be brought forward to declare the war aims and to spell out the cost and eventual benefits of the policy.Having a democratic/oil rich Iraq under American influence while at the same time maintaining the unquestioning support of the American proxy Israel would have spelt the death-knell to dictatorships in the area and increased US power enormously.
This debacle will make the next phase (North Korea as mentioned by Blair when asked in parliament) nigh on impossible.If it wasn't rendered so already by it having nuclear weapons!!
Blair saying that straight out in parliament gives you some idea of the scope of the project.At the moment it has no chance of success.

 

[TigerO]

Quote from jonnyy40:

Going into Iraq in a hurry and on a shoe-string are not the actions of a government that believes it has the full support of its people.It makes people question (further) the motives for the invasion.

Right.

While the US was the only country in the whole wide world where a majority of the people were ever uninformed, undereducated and gullible enough to fall for Bushs evil lies and machinations for his incredibly counter productive Iraq war based on nothing but spin, lies and deceit in the first place - no other country demonstrated an even remotely similar level of complete, total and utter blind leader worship, outside of maybe communist North Korea -, in every other civilized country opposition to the war was of course always much much larger than support as simply no factually warranted reason for this war ever existed for anyone with an IQ north of their birthdate, but even here the game is over for Bush, even though, compared to the civilized world, support for Bush and his "policies" are still mind boggingly high, must be the drug culture we have here or cognitive dissonance or sumtin:


"By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - California voters' support for the war in Iraq (news - web sites) has dropped to a new low, with a clear majority saying the war is not worth the toll it's taken on American lives, a statewide poll found.

A nonpartisan Field Poll released Tuesday found that 60 percent of California's registered voters believe the war in Iraq is not worth the loss of American life and other costs, while 35 percent believe it is.

Voters split similarly when asked about Bush's handling of the war — 60 percent disapproved of his performance and 37 percent approved.

The poll, conducted May 18-23, was based on interviews with 388 registered voters and had a sampling error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

The poll also found that a majority of California voters believe the United States is seriously off track, a barometer researchers consider crucial for predicting an election's outcome. Fifty-four percent said they believe the country is on the wrong track, while 37 percent said it's headed in the right direction.

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[msfe]

War on terror leaves human rights at 50-year low, claims Amnesty

Ewen MacAskill, diplomatic editor
Thursday May 27, 2004
The Guardian

Human rights last year came under the most sustained attack for 50 years, according to the annual report of Amnesty International published yesterday.

Irene Khan, secretary general of Amnesty, blamed a combination of groups such as al-Qaida and the response of US and other governments as part of the war on terror. "The global security agenda promoted by the US administration is bankrupt of vision and bereft of principle," she said.

"Violating rights at home, turning a blind eye to abuses abroad, and using pre-emptive military force where and when it chooses has damaged justice and freedom, and made the world a more dangerous place." ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/story/0,7369,1225646,00.html

 

[spect8or]

It's quite sad that such a noble cause as human rights is corrupted by the kinds of fucking morons that are today working for human rights organizations.

 

[mark1]

Quote from TigerO:



SAN FRANCISCO - California voters' support for the war in Iraq (news - web sites) has dropped to a new low, with a clear majority saying the war is not worth the toll it's taken on American lives, a statewide poll found.

A nonpartisan Field Poll released Tuesday found that 60 percent of California's registered voters believe the war in Iraq is not worth the loss of American life and other costs, while 35 percent believe it is.

Voters split similarly when asked about Bush's handling of the war — 60 percent disapproved of his performance and 37 percent approved.

Support to war dropped to a new low?
Hu ho , I smell a new attack to USA very soon, hope I'm wrong......

 

[TigerO]

Yes, as freaky as that sounds, that is really what you have to face up to when you have a corrupt, cowardly, incompetent, deceiful lying scum bag at the helm like Bush. Biggest threat to justice, civil liberties, freedom, democracy, peace and stability this planet has seen in a very very long time to boot.

 

[Gringinho]

Quote from msfe:

War on terror leaves human rights at 50-year low, claims Amnesty
Human rights last year came under the most sustained attack for 50 years, according to the annual report of Amnesty International published yesterday.

Irene Khan, secretary general of Amnesty, blamed a combination of groups such as al-Qaida and the response of US and other governments as part of the war on terror. "The global security agenda promoted by the US administration is bankrupt of vision and bereft of principle," she said.
"Violating rights at home, turning a blind eye to abuses abroad, and using pre-emptive military force where and when it chooses has damaged justice and freedom, and made the world a more dangerous place." ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/story/0,7369,1225646,00.html

I guess soon there will be diplomatic envoys from China taking up human rights conditions when going to the US. Amnesty has been complaining about US prisons and death sentences for years, but now it would seem they have their hands full.

Today's situation with the US being portrayed this way under the current administration is becoming laughable when considering things just a few years back.

We're always upset when somebody crosses the line into something that normal people have great qualms about doing. That goes for death camps or any form of torture. For me personally it is uncomprehensible what state of mind a torturer is in, but I've never had to kill anybody either.