US occupation plans for Iraq?

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Now I took the writing of well known historian and they broke all your sayings about Islam hating the infidels and askilg for their killings.. It is completely the other side that is taken...
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I will reply to this a bit later.
BTW, would you explain me why you need historians to tell you what Islam is about ?
What about an old fashioned Koran and the Sayings by Khomeini ??

OHLC
 
Very funny...

Of course the guys that killed him were guys of nation of Islam...

But the main point is who really ordered this killing... Some people think that it was the CIA.. because he was a threat..

May be beacause of this:

"We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary."

"The day that the black man takes an uncompromising step and realizes that he's within his rights, when his own freedom is being jeopardized, to use any means necessary to bring about his freedom or put a halt to that injustice, I don't think he'll be by himself."
 
Originally posted by traderfut2000
Very funny...

Of course the guys that killed him were guys of nation of Islam...

But the main point is who really ordered this killing... Some people think that it was the CIA.. because he was a threat..
More...

No, this is funny: "don't forget that in the US slavery was abolished in the sixties and 2 great black leaders were killed for that . . ."

Now you suggest that the CIA killed Malcom X because of some white racist agenda? Get serious.
 
You are real funny....

Many black people were killed in the 60's .. The USA was still a racist state discriminating between black and whites....

Black did not have the right to sit next to whites did not even have to access the same schools as whites.....

Don't tell me that Malcolm was liked by white americans?????
Don't tell me this... If he fought with his brothers is simply because what was occuring was just non acceptable by any human being...

Now of course not all white american are on the same side but some people simply did not accept the manifestation of malcolm and Luther...

same thing wherever you go
 
Please don't reply to a question by another question...

May be the Kuran is outadated but apparently the people that read it and developed Islam were far more pacisfist and human than the french and the british. History tells us how badly they behaved in the 19th 20th century in many african, arab and asian countries...

And they did it in the name of god and the bible...
 
As I told you I do not endorse what happened during the inquisition or whatever. I believe these errors should be analysed to never be made again.
I dont want an Hitler back, but I dont want a Mussolini either.
Some problems have been dealt with 200 years ago, and led to the simultaneous development of the two greatest constitutions : the US and the French, both being the models for the soon to be EU constitution. Some groups of freethinkers networked to solve problems, and a wave of progress incurred.
I dont want a society brought back 200 years ago, or a society where people live like the current inhabitants of Saudi Arabia or Iran.

In other words, the misdeeds of the past do not justify anyone somewhere else in reproducing them, to 'get even'.

OHLC
 
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May be the Kuran is outadated but apparently the people that read it and developed Islam were far more pacisfist and human than the french and the british
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Do your search on Muhammad...you will find find that the guy was a war chief, not a peaceful preacher.
This is for the pacifist part.
For the human part, the 52 years old prophet married Aicha at age 6, and banged her at age 9. The best of humanity.


OHLC
 
I cannot agree more with you...

This is why those countries need more freedom and justice...
You cannot accept the injustice and say why are there so many terrorist attacks...

I never said that I want an old fashion Islam. Just to remind you that islam is not muslim and muslim are not necessarily reprsenting Islam. I am just here to say that this attack on Iraq is unjustified..

Sorry if I was rude. My main aim is peace and discuss on good grounds not using any theme to justify an attack on Iraq.

By the way. I am certainly not racist myself. But I hate closed mind people that always find the same excuses. I love european culture as well as oriental culture and I think that all the civilization brought great things to humanity. Period.


Peace


Extracts from Malcolm X

"You can’t separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."
"Prospects for Freedom in 1965," speech, Jan. 7 1965, New York City (published in Malcolm X Speaks,

There is nothing in our book, the Koran, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. That’s a good religion."
"Message to the Grass Roots," speech, Nov. 1963, Detroit (published in Malcolm X Speaks, ch. 1, 1965).
 
Sorry I post before reading your next post... I thought you would raise the level but yet again all you are looking for is stupid quarrell...

OK no problem...

Muhammed was a war chief and so what... Islam is not christianism it is a diffrent religion... Wjat's wrong with mohammed being a war chief?????

But Muslim were far more human than the bloody french that killed raped whole villages of muslim people. who occupied algeria for instance for 140 years and where 5% of the french population french had 95% of the resources...

France behavior was no better than what the nazis did in France.. Even the nazis were more human than the french and did not treat the French like the French treated the arabs???

The treatment is the same for the British

You want more...
 
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Muhammed was a war chief and so what... Islam is not christianism it is a diffrent religion... Wjat's wrong with mohammed being a war chief?????
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I was just correcting your previous statements about the founder of Islam being pacifists and 'human', which were false.


As I explained : it is not because something is 'very nasty' that something 'nasty' is good.
All of this is wrong. You cant chase an evil with a lesser evil.

Think positively.

OHLC
 
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