US - most f*cked up religiously extremist country this side of Saudi Arabia

[Cutten]

Quote from RacerXXXXX:

No, I am talking about the UK. You know, where you have a significant radical Muslim population that does not want to assimilate with the rest of the population. Your presumptions are incorrect. I have a passport, and have been to the UK a couple of times. Rather than attack me, you should ask yourself this question: Is the radical Muslim population in your country a more significant problem than the few hundred nuts on a compound in Texas (US population 300,000,000+)? It appears your extreme dislike of the US is clouding your thinking.

RX

I don't dislike the US, where did you get that idea? I dislike freakish religious brainwashing cults, and the milder form of religious loonies who think the world was created in 7 days or that intelligent design is a scientific theory.

Believe me, I have just as harsh a view of Islamic beliefs. But I wasn't discussing whether radical muslims were a threat or not - this subject has been done to death and everyone is aware of it. I was discussing whether the US has a problem with excessive tolerance of extreme religious cults and sects. IMO it does, and IMO 99.99% of Americans are dangerously complacent about this homegrown menace - maybe because the perpetrators are white middle class Americans, rather than dark-skinned people with foreign-sounding names and accents.

If the Uk had a similar problem with cults, sects, and excessive religious nonsense, I would criticise it just the same. But from what I can see, on that issue at least it is not facing the same problem. Yes there's a problem of radicalised immigrant minorities - so start another thread and chances are I'll agree with you.

What I would recommend is that you assess a claim on its merits - does the US have a problem in this area? I did not say "Britain is cool, America sucks". Criticising one country in no way implies lack of criticism of another, and I find it hilarious that people think I would hold up the Uk as some kind of ideal society. I have no loyalty to any nation or government, so we can scotch that idea right now. Let's debate the facts at hand, rather than trying to manufacture some national dick-swinging contest.

 

[Gord]

Quote from Cutten:

But it's not one example - the US is full of cults, and extreme religious sects. From Jim Jones through David Koresh to this current mob, or the more mainstream sect demagogues like Falwell and Robertson, these people are dangerous and mess with the minds of impressionable youngsters. Brainwashing kids with this BS is a mild form of mental child abuse, kinda like raising them to believe the earth is flat or that astrology governs the movements of planets. Actually breeding them like cattle is beyond the pale.

If France, UK, Germany, Canada etc had this kind of thing going on as regularly, I would lambast that too. But it seems to be a US-dominated phenomena. It's the only country in the 1st world where this lunacy goes on with such frequency.

I see you are now backpedaling as fast as you can. Jim Jones was over thirty years ago and happened somewhere in the Caribbean. David Koresh happened over ten years ago and it was Bill Clinton's wrecklessness that led so many innocent deaths. Whether one agrees with Falwell and Robertson or not, no one other than extreme nutjobs (like you) would compare them to Jones and Koresh. And there are sects just like this one in Canada. Your three examples in thirty years doesn't exactly measure up to "where this lunacy goes on with such frequency".


I am afraid you already showed your hand in your previous posts. You are a bigot, plain and simple. An ignorant bigot.

 

[Gord]

Quote from Cutten:

Well this is politics and religion section, so a little exaggeration may have crept in there, I gotta admit.

OK you have got to the point where you can admit error. Now you just have to admit to the extent of your error.

Apolgize now for your "error" in dissing large groups of Americans and America as a whole, and you can walk away from this thread with your head held high and it will not be held against you.

But refuse and you will carry the label of "bigot".

Your choice...

 

[neophyte321]

Quote from Cutten:

In 20 years most British muslims will be getting drunk, high, and pregnant outside wedlock, just like the rest of us.

perhaps, this is religion in the UK.

I'm inclined to side with the Texas crazies...

 

[TorontoTrader2]

You must believe that Jet fuel did this!

No wonder so many people are on meds...

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

We're being invaded by Catholics...not muslims.

Good luck.

Quote from Cutten:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24178574

Oh boy, this is like something out of Saudi or Taliban-era Afghanistan. If this thing happened in the UK, I would be deeply disturbed and ashamed of the backwardness of the country. Seriously, you guys need to come out of the motherf*cking dark ages. More Bill Maher, less Jerry Falwell and Mitt Romney.

 

[Sam321]

But you do have an organized Islamist Muslim problem, combined with an extreme case of government-sponsored white anglo-saxon guilt, which enables this problem of institutional blindedness.

We don't have that much guilt here in the states. We do have thousands of fanatical cults, but none so persistant and patient with long term plans to out-populate everyone else, and then take over government when their numbers reach a major minority.

Quote from Cutten:

I don't dislike the US, where did you get that idea? I dislike freakish religious brainwashing cults, and the milder form of religious loonies who think the world was created in 7 days or that intelligent design is a scientific theory.

Believe me, I have just as harsh a view of Islamic beliefs. But I wasn't discussing whether radical muslims were a threat or not - this subject has been done to death and everyone is aware of it. I was discussing whether the US has a problem with excessive tolerance of extreme religious cults and sects. IMO it does, and IMO 99.99% of Americans are dangerously complacent about this homegrown menace - maybe because the perpetrators are white middle class Americans, rather than dark-skinned people with foreign-sounding names and accents.

If the Uk had a similar problem with cults, sects, and excessive religious nonsense, I would criticise it just the same. But from what I can see, on that issue at least it is not facing the same problem. Yes there's a problem of radicalised immigrant minorities - so start another thread and chances are I'll agree with you.

What I would recommend is that you assess a claim on its merits - does the US have a problem in this area? I did not say "Britain is cool, America sucks". Criticising one country in no way implies lack of criticism of another, and I find it hilarious that people think I would hold up the Uk as some kind of ideal society. I have no loyalty to any nation or government, so we can scotch that idea right now. Let's debate the facts at hand, rather than trying to manufacture some national dick-swinging contest.