US-Israeli Friendship

dgabriel · Apr 17, 2004

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Israel doesn't exist without the US, period.

This is not about principles, this is about the influence of a few over the many.

No other ally of the size of Israel, who did not have such a powerful minority presence or religious importance to America, would continue to get the support Israel does if they acted the way Israel does.

This is not about principles at all, it is about religion, money, and power.

So you agree that Israel would have been destroyed and most of its Jewish population displaced, disenfranchised, or killed, had it not been for the US.

ARogueTrader · Apr 17, 2004

Yes, of course.

So?

Quote from dgabriel:

So you agree that Israel would have been destroyed and most of its Jewish population displaced, disenfranchised, or killed, had it not been for the US.

spect8or · Apr 17, 2004

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Yes, of course.

So?

Cool.

Goodbye loser.

ARogueTrader · Apr 17, 2004

Would Cuba have existed with Castro in power if not for the Soviet Union?

Make a sensible point.

Quote from spect8or:

Cool.

Goodbye loser.

I Missed Boat · Apr 17, 2004

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Israel doesn't exist without the US, period.

Actually not true. The US did nothing for Israel during the first war, and the US helped arm Israel's enemies later on just as much as they helped Israel.

ARogueTrader · Apr 17, 2004

Today, without the millions of dollars a day help of the US, and without the unwritten rule that we will defend Israel, do they exist?

The unseen hand of the US was there from the beginning, don't kid yourself.

Quote from I Missed Boat:

Actually not true. The US did nothing for Israel during the first war, and the US helped arm Israel's enemies later on just as much as they helped Israel.

spect8or · Apr 17, 2004

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Make a sensible point.

It was the "So?" that got me. Have no time for you. Bye.

dgabriel · Apr 17, 2004

ART's true colors are emerging.

Other cohesive, politically active and savvy minority groups in the US have "outsized" political influence. Cubans for example.

You don't like it, vote David Duke!

Copernicus · Apr 17, 2004

Quote from spect8or:

Israel plays a very important role in shaping a democratic, market-oriented Middle East. Yes, all that probably does add up, in the long run, to "money and power" (muhaahahah) for the US. So be it. That is surely a preferable set of circumstances to the miserable lives today's Arabs lead. Adopting some "European" approach to Israel is nothing less than abandoning Israel to the whim of the most unreasonable, irrational people in the history of the world, the Arabs. Sheer lunacy.

what role is that? shaping what? israel is hated by every country in that region, they have zero influence on shaping democracy in the middle east

I Missed Boat · Apr 17, 2004

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Today, without the millions of dollars a day help of the US, and without the unwritten rule that we will defend Israel, do they exist?

The unseen hand of the US was there from the beginning, don't kid yourself.

If they existed against absolutely amazing odds in the beginning without US help, then yes, today they would be. And this is doubly true if US helped stop today, after the help Israel has already gotten, even though Egypt gets almost as much.