US declares China currency manipulator

The Core products I pay everyday for are housing, food and energy. I don't buy 'goods' of other sort daily.
Besides, substitute "working class" by "middle class" and back and you will see the origines of Comintern agitprop in the generalization.
Do you have the numbers? Sources? Baskets with item by item for a given stratum of the fictitious Middle Class?

It's like the "China can turn inwards" argument while we belong to this "complex interdependent world". I'd like to see when American companies will finally start being competitive again.
Download the Handbook of Methods at https://www.bls.gov/cpi/ and you'll get your basket in excruciating detail. You may be a curmudgeon who lives in the house you bought in '72, drives your 95 Chevy to the diner every day, and stopped buying new clothes 20 years ago...and believes everyone should be just like you. Since you (or this mythical food/fuel/shelter guy) aren't representative of the vast majority of people who make up our economy, the people who buy $550B worth of stuff made in China every year, your antecdotal view of your own little world is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
 
I know my budget. No, I don't by clothes every day. I didn't call anybody names. End of discussion.
You asked for a basket, I gave it to you. And pointed out that you may very well not be representative of the U.S. economy. You don't have to like the truth, that doesn't make it any less true.
 
"PBOC SETS YUAN MID-POINT AT 6.9996 / DLR VS LAST CLOSE 7.0250"

I do not know if this is good or bad, but it sure shook up the futures. Bloody China and their Yuan thing.
 
Really? Then why are Walmart and Amazon doing so fantastically well? 70-80% (perhaps a lot more) of their entire product turnover is cheap Chinese products. Check your own home for a minute, any products you see at home that don't have Chinese products in them? Have you seen the most recent credit card debt, mortgage debt, and household savings of the middle class in America? Are you seriously saying you do not see problems when you increase Chinese products by even 10-20% for end-consumers? The reason consumers did not suffer much so far is that tariffs have not been passed on to consumers yet. Chinese manufacturers and middlemen are swallowing those tariffs for the time being.

I don't buy this
 
...because you invested in Chinese products already. You would not be able to work and earn and hence pay your American rent without Chinese umbrella, Chinese shoes, Chinese headset, Chinese computer, Chinese mobile phone. You can't just look at your current spending, you need to amortize all your products over future months as well as the replacement costs of upgrades/updates.

The Core products I pay everyday for are housing, food and energy. I don't buy 'goods' of other sort daily.
Besides, substitute "working class" by "middle class" and back and you will see the origines of Comintern agitprop in the generalization.
Do you have the numbers? Sources? Baskets with item by item for a given stratum of the fictitious Middle Class?

It's like the "China can turn inwards" argument while we belong to this "complex interdependent world". I'd like to see when American companies will finally start being competitive again.
 
...The reason consumers did not suffer much so far is that tariffs have not been passed on to consumers yet. Chinese manufacturers and middlemen are swallowing those tariffs for the time being.

Yes, this final round of tariffs is going to affect everyone. They saved the consumer-intensive stuff for last.
 
Then it comes down to word definition. As long as the Fed makes independent policy decisions from the administration in my book they "exercise their mandate", given to them by congress. "Manipulating" is an action that does not pursue an external mandate but pursues a self-serving purpose. So, every time the Fed changes interest rates they are not manipulating anyone or anything but they make the best decision given limited information in order to fulfill their mandate. Yes, I would love if you could reference Fed minutes where rates were set primarily as a function of the balance/imbalance of trade. That is clearly not within their mandate and I would agree that this would amount to "currency manipulation".

To be fair, changing your interest rates directly changes spot and futures rates compared to all other currencies, it's a purely mechanical relationship. So every time the fed changes interest rates they're manipulating the USD rates. And while fighting a trade war or specifically devaluing the dollar isn't their primary goal when changing rates, they're fully aware of the impacts it will have in those areas, among others, and take that into account when making their decision. I'm sure we could find some old fed minutes where balance of trade was discussed vis-a-vis rates. Obviously you and I who are into the minutia of this would say it's different then the Chinese govt doing it, but from their perspective and that of most of the world including most Americans who don't understand our financial system...it's pretty much the same.
 
I know my budget. No, I don't by clothes every day. I didn't call anybody names. End of discussion.

Your wife is chinese, the discounted hookers you bang are chinese, and i actually think you are chinese
 
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