Universal Health Care Could Have Saved 330,000 Lives During Covid

[gwb-trading]

I thought the USA already had dropped out of the top 50 countries for life expectancy a few years ago.

wrbtrader

Well the second sentence of the articles says -

"In fact, depending on which numbers you use to do your research, some suggest that has already happened."

 

[wrbtrader]

Universal Health Care Could Have Saved 330,000 Lives During Covid
https://www.yahoo.com/now/universal-health-care-could-saved-224812758.html
June 14, 2022

The U.S. has recorded the highest number of deaths from Covid-19 in the world, at more than 1 million. According to a new analysis by a group of public health researchers, the uneven and fragmented nature of the American health care system has played a major role in running up that grim tally.

The researchers argue that a single-payer universal healthcare system would have performed far better, saving as many as 330,000 lives during the first two years of the pandemic, as well as billions of dollars.

In a report published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, a team of 10 researchers, most affiliated with the Yale School of Public Health, estimated “excess mortality” rates for those who were uninsured before the pandemic began or lost their health insurance due to becoming unemployed during the economic crisis sparked by Covid-19. Excess deaths attributable to a lack of health insurance came to 212,000 in the first year of the pandemic alone.

Bad for health: The higher death rates for the uninsured were driven by a lack of access and worries about cost, with repercussions that affect the entire population. “At the individual level, concerns over medical expenses delay diagnosis and treatment, elevating case fatality rates,” the researchers say. “At the population level, postponement of diagnosis, and thus of case isolation, fuels transmission. In addition, fear of losing employer-sponsored health insurance during a pandemic may make it untenable for people to miss work even when they feel unwell.”

Bad for budgets: In addition to lives saved, the researchers estimate that the U.S. could have saved billions of dollars with universal health care. In general, a universal system would generate savings in multiple ways, including better preventative care to reduce the incidence of comorbidities such as diabetes; lower administrative costs; and lower prices for drugs, equipment and services. The researchers estimate that a universal health care system would save the U.S. $438 billion a year under normal, non-pandemic conditions. With Covid, a universal system would have provided another $105 billion in savings, the researchers estimate, thanks in large part to lower hospitalization costs.

The bottom line: While the analysis deals with a hypothetical and is necessarily uncertain, the projected savings are consistent with what public health experts have been saying for years — namely, that the U.S. health care system is more expensive and less effective than the universal systems in virtually every other industrialized nation. “Medicare for All would be both an economic stimulus and life-saving transformation of our health care system,” lead author Alison Galvani told Scientific American. “It will cost people far less than the status quo.”

Considering this...the Covid Pandemic impacted the most in deaths, hospitalization, and financial were those that were poor and/or a person of color.

In contrast, a Universal Healthcare System is more suitable to address the needs of the poor, immigrants, travelers, multi-family households, and people of color while those that are wealthy tend to use both the private healthcare system and the universal healthcare system in countries that have both depending upon their medical needs.

I mention "both" because I don't think there's a country that has a Universal Healthcare System without a Private Healthcare System. If there's one country as such...I've never heard about it.

wrbtrader

 

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The Supreme Court will never end Affirmative Action until those lower percentage groups I posted in my prior reply are very close to being on par with the majority.

It's on the docket this year in the Harvard Asian discrimination case. Justice O'Connor's 25 year period in Grutter v. Bollinger is about ready to expire.

All evidence suggests that black performance on standardized tests will never be the same or even close to whites or Asians.

White physicians have the most malpractice lawsuits per ratio

Source?

affirmative action plays no role after someone is employed.

Of course it plays a role. The subject person has the same subpar aptitude that he or she had when taking the standardized tests for a lifetime.

This is the case in the academic performance in medical school...minorities perform on par or better during medical school in comparison with white medical students.

You just mentioned they are subject to being weeded out at a higher rate. You can't have it both ways. Google the Stanley Goldfarb controversy at Penn Medicine, commenting on a study that concluded black residents are deficient in every category.

Yeah, of course, it's discriminatory at some schools but it's the only way to equalize something that was already discriminatory out of the gates for many many decades when minorities (including Asians) weren't allowed to attend Medical School or only allowed to attend a Medical School that cater to minorities.

That's how affirmative action started, about 50 years ago. A remedy for past discrimination. The Supreme Court ruled that was legal. It's been three generations now since there was de jure discrimination in admissions, and as we see with first generation Asian immigrants outperforming whites on admission tests, the causal relationship with Jim Crow ended a long time ago. What we have now is a fig leaf hiding well-established statistical differences in intelligence between races that promotes blacks on the right side of their distribution curve, who already would have done well, but fails to do anything for the vast majority of them.

And this is the result of America's poor Covid response

Black on black murders account for a large percentage of the gap in life expectancy, and lower the US national average.

 

[wrbtrader]

...All evidence suggests that black performance on standardized tests will never be the same or even close to whites or Asians...

You're talking about the standardized test for entry into college. No argument there and it was the main part of the thesis in my college paper.

In contrast, I'm talking about in this thread the "academic performance" after entry into Medical School considering you're the one that mentioned Medical School within the same message post as your other statements...this is a topic I'm very familiar with because of my own education, education of my siblings and education of girlfriend relationships in college.

In addition, I'm also talking about the employment performance of medical professionals considering you're the one that mentions medical professionals and employees. These are individuals with medical degrees although I'm not sure what you mean by employees because you've separated them as a different group.

As for the source of my information about "malpractice suites" and the percentage of malpractice suits against different ethnic groups that are Doctors or Nurses...

• Please use Google and educate yourself because its the only way for you to rid yourself of your bias considering you do not seem to address one key issue...Asians are minorities too after I mentioned such several times.

I have already mentioned two specific statistics about the 3rd leading cause of deaths and the percentage of Doctors in America that you did not address...the latter clearly shows that Whites and Asians dominate as Medical Doctors while all other groups are gravely under-represented. Thus, I have then assume you will do the same for any other statistical data I have access to...reason for my snark reply that you need to use Google and do your own research.

Yet, Affirmative Action is used by women (gender) of any color, foreign students, sexual declarations (e.g. trans and such), people of color, and individuals with different sexual preferences. Those days are long gone where the friendly oncologist are only men, only white men and the only way for a person of color to become a Medical Doctor is at a school that tends to only accept "blacks".

Blacks and Asians are topics you're fixated on...reason why I incorrectly assume you must be Asian but then again...it does depend on your location (geography).

• Your issue is fixated on just one...race.

Personally, my family doctors in Kentucky in a military family were either from Pakistan or India. Yet, the base doctor was White. In South Dakota...family doctors were either Dutch or Indigenous. On the northside of Chicago...private doctor is French...she immigrated from France and is White European. In France, private family doctor is half Japanese and French (White). He was born in Japan...father is Japanese and mother is French/White European.

Here in Canada, family doctor is from Greece or at least that's where he grew up until college in Canada. Yet, we have Universal Healthcare System while most use both Universal Healthcare and the Private Healthcare System...I'm one of them.

For example, the birth of my three children here in Canada via the Universal Healthcare System...didn't cost us a penny. Yet, we wanted "private hospital rooms". We had to pay for the private rooms instead of using the shared maternity rooms.

Private rooms fall under the private healthcare system all within the same hospital that's under the universal healthcare system unless you're given a private room for medical reasons even though you did not request such.

Thus, you pay out of your own pocket or your private healthcare insurance pays for the private rooms if you request a private room. Also, the doctors at the hospital (under the universal healthcare system) regularly consult with the doctors of patients that also have private doctors.

Canada has both Universal Healthcare and Private Healthcare.

wrbtrader

 

[wrbtrader]

...You just mentioned they are subject to being weeded out at a higher rate. You can't have it both ways. Google the Stanley Goldfarb controversy at Penn Medicine, commenting on a study that concluded black residents are deficient in every category...

Bullshit...medical students that do not pass their exams are in fact weeded out of the program as in they "failed their class course" regardless if it was Affirmative Action that got them entry into medical school...regardless of what type of minority they are (e.g. Asian, Black, Indigenous, Hispanic, Pacific Islander or whatever).

• Medical Schools do not give failed students M.D...reason why I call bullshit on your story...as in it is just an opinion before I wasted my time looking up the story on Google.

Dr. Stanley Goldfarb, former associate dean of curriculum at the University of Pennsylvania, argues that current medical schools focus so much on advocacy, social justice, and various (left-leaning) causes that students don’t have time to learn how to care for patients.

And what are some of the distractions these medical students must endure as they try to master the craft of medicine?

Cultural diversity, gun control, climate change, health disparities. Teaching about these topics “comes at the expense of rigorous training in medical science.”

• He cites no actual data that this is true, of course, which means it’s his opinion.

Does he still have a job after the above comments (sarcasm) ?

For what its worth, I'm not sure why gun control, climate change would be a variable that impacts medical students or as a way to forsee medical performance.

All the medical students that I knew in college and that are minorities...not one of them grew up in area or attended high school that had gun violence if that's what the dimwit doctor implies by "gun control".

As for climate change...I'm lost about his comments involving minorities that are black in medical school nor am I sure his comments were aimed at black medical students or maybe his comments are aimed at the patients of those medical students in their residency program.

wrbtrader

 

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He cites no actual data that this is true, of course, which means it’s his opinion.

 

[wrbtrader]

My comments are specific to the source you originally stated and recommended I look up in which I did when you stated to Google the Stanley Goldfarb controversy at Penn Medicine.

Now you want me to look up "Association Between Resident Race and Ethnicity and Clinical Performance Assessment Scores". You're serious ?

All the above while you still have not addressed the issue that I raised with you that Asians are minorities too and Women have benefitted from Affirmative Action...an Affirmative Action that you seem to want to get rid of because of issues at a select few universities in their acceptance policy that I do agree is flawed (I myself wrote a a paper about such) ?

wrbtrader

 

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Now you want me to look up "Association Between Resident Race and Ethnicity and Clinical Performance Assessment Scores

If you would have Googled further, you would have found that Goldfarb's comments were about that academic article.

 

[wrbtrader]

If you would have Googled further, you would have found that Goldfarb's comments were about that academic article.

Please addressed my issues first before I continue looking up topics that you recommend I look up on Google in further readings.

I'll try again...

Asians are minorities too and Women have benefitted from Affirmative Action...an Affirmative Action that you seem to want to get rid of because of issues at a select few universities in their acceptance policy that I do agree is flawed (I myself wrote a college paper about such) ?

• Simply, do you disagree with any of the above (I've dumb it down for you).

If it helps, my paper was specific about universities in the NorthEast although its irrelevant for this discussion.

wrbtrader

 

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that Asians are minorities too

They're not minorities that have benefited from Affirmative Action. It squeezes them out. Asians are fully integrated into society. "Minorities" is typically used as shorthand for blacks and Hispanics that are not so fully integrated.

Women have benefitted from Affirmative Action.

The same issues are present for women to some extent, but to a much lesser extent than blacks and Hispanics because their test scores are higher. The IQ distribution curve for women is grouped about the center, meaning they are outnumbered by men in increasing multiples on the far left and right tails of the IQ distribution curve.