United States refuses to back Canada in Saudi Arabia dispute

[Slartibartfast]

*This will rock a few boats but i think it’s time to rethink our relationship with Israel.

Israel still a true ally of the United States? When was the last time Israel sent troops to support an American effort? It’s been a while since Israel has actually supported the US in a substantial way. Our relationship has become we are the givers and they are the takers under Netanyahu.

Under Netanyahu Israel has become more of a political ally of the GOP. The GOP makes sure Israel gets hundreds of millions of dollars and the Israeli government backs republicans domestically.

Anyone who follows Israeli politics knows the entire Netanyahu coalition is built around the fact he can get the republicans to dump money into Israeli defenses and back Likud Middle East policy.

Support for israel is going down among democrats because there is only so much blatant partisanship they will accept in our foreign relations.

I’d also like to ask why we give any aid to any country that has government funded universal healthcare, when we don’t provide it here? We are basically paying for the Israeli’s healthcare system.

I think it is important to understand that there are factions with in the Jews that really affect politics. The majority of US Jews are Reform for example. The majority of Israeli's loud Jews are Orthodox leaning or as secular can be pressured this way. Ivanka and Jared are Orthodox as are/were many of Trumps Jewish friends.

The Orthodox (and that can be sub divided) regard the Reform as a bunch of idiot hippie liberals (female Rabbis etc), who they really would prefer to be able to say are not Jews at all but they do like the money sent from the US. Reform Jews were even denied full rights as Jews as the Western (wailing) wall, their US head literally beaten. They are not happy bedfellows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians#Current_senators
28 Democrats and 2 Republicans.. Bernie an independent now.

Support for Zionism in the US is waning fast among most US Jews (reform, some "conservative", also not Orthodox) as Israel gets more hard-line against them. Yeah, we will take your money fake Jews (this is literally the term that has been used) but STFU about our policies. This results in the Orthodox American Jews getting louder and louder, more extreme trying to control more as a small segment of American Jews, a proxy for Israel's interest.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

I never said all Canadians are pussies. Canada -- well Anglo-Canada -- has a long tradition of bravery in WW1 and WW2. French Canadians -- who generally sat out both wars -- have a long tradition of cowardice.

Trudeau's family is from Quebec -- pretty much says it all.

I wonder what Cadet Bone Spurs would say.

 

[Poindexter]

I think it is important to understand that there are factions with in the Jews that really affect politics. The majority of US Jews are Reform for example.

Wrong. The plurality of Jews in the U.S. are Reform.

The majority of Israeli Jews are Orthodox leaning or as secular can be pressured this way.

Wrong again. 78% of Jews in Israel are non-Orthodox.

The Orthodox (and that can be sub divided) regard the Reform as a bunch of idiot hippie liberals (female Rabbis etc), who they really would prefer to be able to say are not Jews at all...

So now you speak for all Orthodox Jews?

I won't waste any more time correcting the rest of your bigoted lies. Stick to what you know, Slartocchio -- paper trading.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Wrong. The plurality of Jews in the U.S. are Reform.

Wrong again. 78% of Jews in Israel are non-Orthodox.

So now you're the official spokesperson for Orthodox Jews?

I won't waste any more time correcting the rest of your bigoted lies. Stick to what you know, Slartocchio -- paper trading.

Fine, your plurality is a delusion. I corrected that to use the world "loud" Jews. before seeing this Mr gotcha troll

I'm Irish for the most part so teasing the way through sectarian bullshit is old hat you crosspatch little pathological liar You can post smears, few till notice you are wrong. It is the most stereotypical Jewish thing about you. You have every caricature of a bad trait, which is unfortunate as you give people a bad impression.YOu are just a troll who hangs on to a thread of Jewish identity. It is just another superiority hill for you to piss down from.

My understanding is approximate but based on MANY years of conversations across the world with young and old Israelis. Many hours chatting with a trader friend who is a rabbi.

The joke about US Reform Jews, directed from the lets say "traditionalists" who don't like female Rabbis etc., is they know a lot about the material world but being borderline secular, perhaps the equivalent the Church of England in light touch, mostly social Christianity? not burdened by much knowledge of (real) Jewish practices. The "fake Rolexes", not my words. of the Jewish "plurality" may stay in the fold and wait for Israel to moderate but the politics of now rule.

There is one solution to Israel's situation I can see and it is partly economic which would lend to correcting the path of the middle East Muslims back to where they were going, to mature into a mostly secular society (with the rest of humanity).

 

[Slartibartfast]

Does not matter what I say with little Pointy, he is a troll looking to a buzz.

Oh and there seems to be the matter of the "plurality" really only applying to white Jews.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/aft...nting-america-s-black-jewish-divide-1.5958910

The point of this is that the US public is not being well served by a President who is under the thumb of a minority but very loud and extreme segment of Jewishness.

 

[Poindexter]

My understanding is approximate but based on MANY years of conversations across the world with young and old Israelis. Many hours chatting with a trader friend who is a rabbi.

Dude, you personify DK. My understanding is based on living my entire life as a Jew.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Dude, you personify DK. My understanding is based on living my entire life as a Jew.

I think we all know who is the DK here!Reminds me of Irish Americans who thought they have a clue about Northern Ireland.

BTW, loved your analysis of the Pollack. You a smart man.

 

[RedDuke]

*This will rock a few boats but i think it’s time to rethink our relationship with Israel.

Israel still a true ally of the United States? When was the last time Israel sent troops to support an American effort? It’s been a while since Israel has actually supported the US in a substantial way. Our relationship has become we are the givers and they are the takers under Netanyahu.

Under Netanyahu Israel has become more of a political ally of the GOP. The GOP makes sure Israel gets hundreds of millions of dollars and the Israeli government backs republicans domestically.

Anyone who follows Israeli politics knows the entire Netanyahu coalition is built around the fact he can get the republicans to dump money into Israeli defenses and back Likud Middle East policy.

Support for israel is going down among democrats because there is only so much blatant partisanship they will accept in our foreign relations.

I’d also like to ask why we give any aid to any country that has government funded universal healthcare, when we don’t provide it here? We are basically paying for the Israeli’s healthcare system.

Israel is one of few societies in middle east which is a true democracy. Their values and way of life is similar or ours. Most other ME nations outright hate us even when they smile into our faces.

Totally agree with you about universal health care. Shame what is happening in our country.

 

[Cuddles]

I never said all Canadians are pussies. Canada -- well Anglo-Canada -- has a long tradition of bravery in WW1 and WW2. French Canadians -- who generally sat out both wars -- have a long tradition of cowardice.

Trudeau's family is from Quebec -- pretty much says it all.

I meant the Europeans

 

[newwurldmn]

Not a single western nation has backed Canada in this dispute - not even those very liberal nations in Europe which have taken in millions of Muslims. That speaks very loudly in regards to the context of this dispute.

Saudi oil tastes good unlike that Canadian swill that's full of sand.

I don't think muslim immigration has anything to do with it. That's like saying America should take a stance in African politics because there are a lot of blacks in America. But the comment does speak loudly in regards to the context of how you view this issue.