United Nations Security Council and Venezuela.
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September 21, 2006
SouthAmerica: Reply to Pabst
Brazil is a capitalist country, and has been it through out its history.
The Brazilian company Petrobras made a major investment in Bolivia to develop their natural gas industry.
Brazilian farmers developed a nice soybean agriculture industry from scratch in Bolivia.
How do you feel if after all your efforts have been so successful someone just comes along and takes away from you all the fruits of your success?
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September 21, 2006
SouthAmerica: Reply to Pabst
Brazil is a capitalist country, and has been it through out its history.
The Brazilian company Petrobras made a major investment in Bolivia to develop their natural gas industry.
Brazilian farmers developed a nice soybean agriculture industry from scratch in Bolivia.
How do you feel if after all your efforts have been so successful someone just comes along and takes away from you all the fruits of your success?
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October 23, 2006
SouthAmerica: The Brazilian newspaper A Folha de Sao Paulo is reporting on Monday, Oct. 23, 2006 on a front page story that Hugo Chavez said on Sunday that his country has achieved the objective of hurting the "Empire" of the United States at the United Nations.
He said: even if Venezuela does not get the seat at the Security Council the damage already has been done to the US.
On Wednesday, we will continue the battle at the UN, and Venezuela will not give up. We already gave a lesson to the United States a country that Mao Tse Tung used to call âa paper tigerâ said the president.
âWe have the devil tied by its tailâ said Chavez in reference to the outcome of the voting so farâ¦..
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A Folha de Sao Paulo â October 23, 2006
âChávez diz que atingiu objetivo de prejudicar EUA nas Nações Unidasâ
da Efe, em Caracas
O presidente da Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, disse hoje que o paÃs conseguiu o objetivo de prejudicar o "império" dos Estados Unidos, ao apresentar sua candidatura a um posto no Conselho de Segurança da ONU.
"Já não podem nos derrotar, pois mesmo que a Venezuela não ingresse no Conselho de Segurança, o dano ao império (dos EUA) já está feito, e esse era nosso objetivo", disse Chávez, em um ato eleitoral com mulheres.
"Nesta quarta-feira, continua a batalha na Assembléia da ONU, e a Venezuela não se renderá. Já demos uma lição no império dos Estados Unidos, que, como disse o grande lÃder chinês Mao Tse Tung, é um tigre de papel", disse o presidente.
"Temos o diabo amarrado pelo rabo", concluiu Chávez, sobre as sucessivas votações infrutÃferas registradas até agora.
"O mundo viu que um pequeno paÃs como a Venezuela enfrentou o império mais poderoso da Terra e o tem conseguido deter, graças ao apoio de nossos amigos no mundo', acrescentou Chávez.
Venezuela e Guatemala concorrem a uma cadeira não-permanente no Conselho de Segurança da ONU. A vaga será ocupada por um paÃs da América do Sul, e tem prazo de dois anos.
Nenhum dos dois paÃses atingiu ainda os dois terços dos votos necessários para ocupar o posto.
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October 23, 2006
SouthAmerica: The Brazilian newspaper A Folha de Sao Paulo is reporting on Monday, Oct. 23, 2006 on a front page story that Hugo Chavez said on Sunday that his country has achieved the objective of hurting the "Empire" of the United States at the United Nations.
He said: even if Venezuela does not get the seat at the Security Council the damage already has been done to the US.
On Wednesday, we will continue the battle at the UN, and Venezuela will not give up. We already gave a lesson to the United States a country that Mao Tse Tung used to call âa paper tigerâ said the president.
âWe have the devil tied by its tailâ said Chavez in reference to the outcome of the voting so farâ¦..
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A Folha de Sao Paulo â October 23, 2006
âChávez diz que atingiu objetivo de prejudicar EUA nas Nações Unidasâ
da Efe, em Caracas
O presidente da Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, disse hoje que o paÃs conseguiu o objetivo de prejudicar o "império" dos Estados Unidos, ao apresentar sua candidatura a um posto no Conselho de Segurança da ONU.
"Já não podem nos derrotar, pois mesmo que a Venezuela não ingresse no Conselho de Segurança, o dano ao império (dos EUA) já está feito, e esse era nosso objetivo", disse Chávez, em um ato eleitoral com mulheres.
"Nesta quarta-feira, continua a batalha na Assembléia da ONU, e a Venezuela não se renderá. Já demos uma lição no império dos Estados Unidos, que, como disse o grande lÃder chinês Mao Tse Tung, é um tigre de papel", disse o presidente.
"Temos o diabo amarrado pelo rabo", concluiu Chávez, sobre as sucessivas votações infrutÃferas registradas até agora.
"O mundo viu que um pequeno paÃs como a Venezuela enfrentou o império mais poderoso da Terra e o tem conseguido deter, graças ao apoio de nossos amigos no mundo', acrescentou Chávez.
Venezuela e Guatemala concorrem a uma cadeira não-permanente no Conselho de Segurança da ONU. A vaga será ocupada por um paÃs da América do Sul, e tem prazo de dois anos.
Nenhum dos dois paÃses atingiu ainda os dois terços dos votos necessários para ocupar o posto.
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SouthAmerica: Reply to 2 cents
But you have to recognize that it is fun to watch Hugo Chavez and George W. Bush going after each other.
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SouthAmerica: Reply to 2 cents
But you have to recognize that it is fun to watch Hugo Chavez and George W. Bush going after each other.
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Chavez is either deluded, or suicidal.
Same difference perhaps, but i have to say ive been surprised by his lack of decorum so far.
I figured, his initial stance was setting the tone, but to follow up like this, at the very least, without being more diplomatic, is surprising.
He thinks he's che guevara, what he thinks may be acheived by his various stunts i dont know.
I can only point out, that he was elected , the same as bush, and that this scenario doesnt always produce great results.
The only palpable difference, is one of them has a brain, and guts, and principles.
You be the judge, there.
Same difference perhaps, but i have to say ive been surprised by his lack of decorum so far.
I figured, his initial stance was setting the tone, but to follow up like this, at the very least, without being more diplomatic, is surprising.
He thinks he's che guevara, what he thinks may be acheived by his various stunts i dont know.
I can only point out, that he was elected , the same as bush, and that this scenario doesnt always produce great results.
The only palpable difference, is one of them has a brain, and guts, and principles.
You be the judge, there.
c'mon, they both do, to varying extents... chavez pretty gutsy i'd say... altho' yeah it'd be nice to think one of them doesn't... but as the leader of one of the greatest nations on earth, what a shite form of bible-coated manichean leadership really... somewhat frightening that 30% of voting americans cld've done that to themselves... another prozac victory i guess
while I too find this whole thing entertaining. I am in agreement with those who say let us be entertained and let the world have a forum, but there is not reason we should be paying such a large part of the tab for these international forums. They no longer seem to serve our purposes. let Hugo pick up more of the tab.
Second, I still find SA beliefs regarding what is right for Brazil vs what is right for the U.S. to be incongruous. He seems to be far left and far right at the same time.
Perhaps the political spectrum really does bend around and what he is in favor of is repressive socialist regimes.
Second, I still find SA beliefs regarding what is right for Brazil vs what is right for the U.S. to be incongruous. He seems to be far left and far right at the same time.
Perhaps the political spectrum really does bend around and what he is in favor of is repressive socialist regimes.
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Jem: Second, I still find SA beliefs regarding what is right for Brazil vs what is right for the U.S. to be incongruous. He seems to be far left and far right at the same time.
Perhaps the political spectrum really does bend around and what he is in favor of is repressive socialist regimes.
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October 23, 2006
SouthAmerica: I mentioned to you before people have been trying to pin me down to some ideology for a long time, but when you read all my articles then you would realize that I am an independent and I use common sense for every issue that is being analyzed.
I believe in democracy, but I understand that democracy requires that certain things to be in place and form its foundations before democracy can work as a system. For example it is completely crazy to try to implement a democratic system in Iraq when you take in consideration its history and the local history of the Middle East.
I am sure most people in Iraq would prefer to live under the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein than the insecure system that they have today. The Iraqi people were better off under Saddam Hussein than under the current chaos and nasty sectarian civil war.
At the end of the day: Saddam Hussein is the right person to bring back order inside Iraq, and also balance into the Middle East between Sunnis and Shiites.
Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator, but today most people in the area understand that things can be a lot worse for everyone without his iron fist.
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Jem: Second, I still find SA beliefs regarding what is right for Brazil vs what is right for the U.S. to be incongruous. He seems to be far left and far right at the same time.
Perhaps the political spectrum really does bend around and what he is in favor of is repressive socialist regimes.
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October 23, 2006
SouthAmerica: I mentioned to you before people have been trying to pin me down to some ideology for a long time, but when you read all my articles then you would realize that I am an independent and I use common sense for every issue that is being analyzed.
I believe in democracy, but I understand that democracy requires that certain things to be in place and form its foundations before democracy can work as a system. For example it is completely crazy to try to implement a democratic system in Iraq when you take in consideration its history and the local history of the Middle East.
I am sure most people in Iraq would prefer to live under the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein than the insecure system that they have today. The Iraqi people were better off under Saddam Hussein than under the current chaos and nasty sectarian civil war.
At the end of the day: Saddam Hussein is the right person to bring back order inside Iraq, and also balance into the Middle East between Sunnis and Shiites.
Saddam Hussein was a ruthless dictator, but today most people in the area understand that things can be a lot worse for everyone without his iron fist.
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